Dick,
Having watched this thread for some time now...I will say this.
Compete in a manner that you enjoy and have FUN.
At least that is what I try and do and so far that method has served me well.
-73-
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On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Dick Dievendorff <dieven@comcast.net> wrote:
> You caught me.
>
> I would argue that memory keyers and computer logging programs (and SO2R)
> are technical developments that have changed contesting forever. These
> developments were not universally embraced at the time of introduction. The
> same "this will ruin contesting forever" arguments were voiced.
>
> Your argument about paper logs is exactly how I feel. You want to paper log
> and paper dupe? Go for it! You want to operate only with a manual key? Go
> for it! You want to use (or not use) CWSkimmer? Go for it!
>
> I agree with you that proposed rules requiring recording go way too far.
>
> Not every technological advance requires a category change or a rule
> prohibiting its use because it's a disruptive change. Some disruptive
> changes are good for a competitive hobby that advances the art. Some
> changes really do require rule changes.
>
> The debate is healthy. I agree that this technology has the potential to be
> disruptive.
>
> I just don't want to too quickly jump onto the "let's outlaw this" bandwagon
> just because it's disruptive. One man's "operating aid" is another's "this
> will ruin contesting and should be disallowed".
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius W3WN
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:26 PM
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Get out of jail free card
>
> C'mon Dick. You're being silly... and trvializing the point.
>
> The items you mention are all operating aids that make the operator more
> effcient so that he can concentrate on, well, operating. Having said that,
> remember that no one is forced to use them. (You really want to paper log
> and paper dupe? Go for it!)
>
> It has already been pointed out that contest logging software already exists
> that has some of the capabilities of the skimmer. Some will choose to use
> this, some won't. If it's enough of a competitive advantage, and if it is
> the word will get around, more will adopt it. That's the nature of the
> game.
>
> But -- other technological improvements are not operating aids and do not
> make the operator more efficient. If anything, they become a distraction.
> Mandatory 48 hour contest recording comes to mind. Mandatory recording of
> the exact transmit frequency at all times, which in turn requires otherwise
> unneccesary operating equipment purchases (rig, computer, software, or some
> combination thereof) is another. To say nothing of the ethical question
> that those two imply... and to be blunt, I resent the implication that I can
> not de facto be trusted to be honest before I even turn the rig on,
> something both of those mandates imply.
>
> Operating aids that make you a better and more efficient operator will prove
> themselves and in turn be accepted. Forcing unneeded gagets down people's
> throats is a different matter altogether.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick Dievendorff [mailto:dieven@comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:14 AM
> To: cbrakob@earthlink.net; 'Jim George'; 'Kelly Taylor';
> wn3vaw@verizon.net; cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Get out of jail free card
>
>
> Right. While we're at it, we should ban those pesky memory keyers, it makes
> redundant the important contesting skill of manually operating a Morse key.
>
> And while we're at it, get rid of those pesky computer logging programs, it
> makes redundant the important contesting skill of writing legibly and
> maintaining a dupe sheet in real time.
>
> And those durned microcontroller computers that are essential to every
> modern transceiver should also be banned. No software power, just people
> skills.
>
> Dick, K6KR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Colleen Brakob
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:59 PM
> To: Jim George; Kelly Taylor; wn3vaw@verizon.net; cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Get out of jail free card
>
> > For me, personally, I think that would end competitive contesting. It
> > has to come sooner or later, I suppose, but I don't want it to end this
> way.
> >
> > Therefore I would propose that all CW (and SSB) contests include
> > prohibitions against any form of artificial CW (or voice) detection and
> > copying.
>
> I second the motion. People should win radiosport contests based on
> "people powered skills", not software power.
>
> 73, de Hans, K0HB/W7
> "Just a boy and his radio."
>
>
>
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