So what you're saying is that because it would be "unfair" to let someone sit
at home and operate a remote station in a DX entity in a contest, when they
have the means and ability to actually travel to that DX entity... and by
implication, unfair activities are bad and should be prohibited...
...that those whose only choice is to operate a remote station or not at all --
can't? Is that what I'm reading here in all these back and forth bogus hunting
analogies?
Look... this should be something really simple. I'll leave it to the psuedo-
and wannabe-lawyers to figure out the precise, accurate, razor-thin wording,
but why not just say something like:
X. Remote Operating
X.1. Remote operating of a receiver or transceiver is permitted when the
following circumstances apply:
X.1.a. The remote station is located within the same country or DXCC entity
X.1.b. The remote station is the normal operating station for the operator in
question [this rules out rent-a-shacks, and permits someone travelling to set
up his home station as a remote]
X.1.c. The remote station may be operated by one or more operators, but only
one transmitter may be in use at any one time
X.1.d. The physical remote station shall conform to the same contest rules for
station configuration [ie, if the contest uses a 500 meter circle, the entire
remote station must also fall within the same 500 meter circle]
X.1.e. A remote station shall use only one callsign during the contest.
X.1.f. Exceptions to any or all of these provisions will be at the discretion
of the contest committee, and must be applied for in advance. Failure to
request these exceptions ahead of time will automatically change the remote
station's log entry into a check log.
X.2 Remote stations not adhering to the restrictions noted in Point 1 above
shall automatically have their log entry changed into a check log.
(Don't like this version? It's the best I can do on short notice... if you've
got something better in mind, let's hear it!)
73
-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com]On Behalf Of w1md@cfl.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:22 PM
To: Joe Subich, W4TV
Cc: 'Robert Chudek - K0RC'; CQ-Contest@contesting.com; 'Paul O'Kane'
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Hunting in Africa
So if I'm sitting in W7 land operating that neat remote station in VP5...with a
VP5 callsign who am I competing against...other Carib stations...no advantage
there...in fact I'd rather be sitting in VP5 than W7 or W...whatever.
Now, if I'm sitting in W7 and have a station in W1...BIG advantage...but, is
this any different than W7... hopping on a plane and going to K5ZD's place in
Mass? Either way it's the W7 operating the station...
I second W0UN's motion...come on spots...
73
W1MD
---- "Joe Subich wrote:
>
>
> Bob,
>
> > That certainly tones down the emotion, doesn't it. I'm not
> > saying "for hire" hunts are not reality. I'm saying it holds
> > no relevance to the discussion of Remote Controlled stations.
>
> I think if you turn the argument around and compare shooting big
> game from your easy chair with a remotely controlled rifle and
> using a remotely controlled station in KP4, C6, VP5 or the coast
> of Maine for ARRLDX or P4, PJ2, PJ4, EA8, EA9, CT3, IH9, or 5B
> for CQWW or KP4 for Sweepstakes and the parallel is quite striking.
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> > Robert Chudek - K0RC
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:34 PM
> > To: Paul O'Kane; CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Hunting in Africa
> >
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > Well this is flame baiting if I've ever seen it! You know
> > there will be
> > strong reaction to the simple idea of killing a lion, whether
> > you are in
> > Africa or sitting in your easy chair at home. That aspect has
> > nothing to do
> > with Amateur Radio.
> >
> > Let's put a remote controlled camera into your story instead.
> > For example:
> > "You aim carefully, stop breathing and, in between
> > heartbeats, fire the
> > shutter. Bang, the lion is startled by the noise - only 250
> > ms later and
> > turns to retreat in safety. The great white photographer
> > strikes again and
> > his breathtaking photograph is delivered across two
> > continents instantly!"
> >
> > That certainly tones down the emotion, doesn't it. I'm not
> > saying "for hire"
> > hunts are not reality. I'm saying it holds no relevance to
> > the discussion of
> > Remote Controlled stations. Nice try, though.
> >
> > 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul O'Kane" <pokane@ei5di.com>
> > To: <CQ-Contest@contesting.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:50 AM
> > Subject: [CQ-Contest] Hunting in Africa
> >
> >
> > > You're ready - sitting quietly, not making a sound. You've
> > > been waiting for hours and your eyes are beginning to feel
> > > the strain. Just then, a lion slowly ambles into your
> > > sights - it has no idea you're there. You've paid good
> > > money for this. Every shot must count - so you're not
> > > going to miss. You aim carefully, stop breathing and, in
> > > between heartbeats, fire. Bang, the lion drops dead - only
> > > 250 ms later. The great white hunter strikes again!
> > >
> > > You've just shot a lion, and it's lying there, very dead.
> > > The only difference is it's in the Serengeti, and you're at
> > > home on a quiet Sunday evening in NYC.
> > >
> > > This remote-controlled rifle is great, the technology is
> > > just magic! From the comfort of your own home, you have
> > > found out just what it's like to be on safari and, to prove
> > > it, you've bagged a lion.
> > >
> > > Everything is wonderful, you haven't had as much fun in
> > > ages. Like everyone else, you don't have the time or money
> > > to actually go to Africa, so you have no other option.
> > > After all, you deserve it. Travel is all very well for
> > > those people with money to burn, but this is the real world
> > > and the only way you're ever going to kill a lion.
> > >
> > > No one can argue. You fired the shot, and that's one dead
> > > hunk of lion. They can't take that away from you (reminds
> > > me of a song) - except that you have not been hunting in
> > > Africa.
> > >
> > > What you have done is a travesty, a mockery, a corruption
> > > of hunting. It devalues and diminishes hunting - you
> > > should be ashamed.
> > >
> > > If you want to hunt, you go hunting because that's what
> > > hunters do.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Paul EI5DI
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