If it involves anything to do with the internet and contesting Paul will
never be happy. Come on over to Topband where we are having the same
old tired conversation over there too.. Oh how great things were in
the past.
Whoever created the term curmudgeon was brilliant.
Mike W0MU
On 2/26/2015 3:37 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote:
Give us a seperate category for remote ops. Then Paul will finally be
happy and K4VV would have won their category, too. Seems like a
WIN-WIN situation for everybody, doesn't it? ;-)
73, Olli - DH8BQA
Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de
Am 26.02.2015 um 22:08 schrieb Ron Notarius W3WN:
I could spend paragraphs pointing out where Paul's argument is
twisting the meaning and intent of the rules, as I'm sure many
others can as well.
And we will end up going down the same "slippery slope" that the
term "Assisted" has gone down almost every year, for so many years.
Let's not.
That said, I agree that, now that it's proven that it CAN be done
for a M/S or M/M station, a rational discussion of whether or not
there is or will be a need for a separate "remote controlled station"
(or similar term) category is or will be necessary.
And THAT said, I don't think we should overlook the technical
aspect that it could be done, and it was done. I would be more than
interested in reading about the challenges faced and how they were
overcome, simply from the technical aspect of how one does it.
So for now, I think of this effort as an experimental operation of
sorts, or if you prefer, a proof-of-concept. And I congratulate the
people who designed and built this station for making it work, even
it it didn't come close to "winning" any categories.
73, ron w3wn
On 02/26/15, Paul O'Kane wrote:
The ARRL Contest Update for February 25 reports that
A team of operators mounted the first totally remote
<http://www.arrl.org/news/no-one-in-the-shack-as-station-logs-4200-contacts-in-arrl-dx-cw-contest>
Multioperator Unlimited category effort in last weekend's
ARRL DX CW contest at the station of K4VV.
It seems to me that the K4VV station was, in effect, a
private repeater, with access restricted to team members.
http://www.arrl.org/general-rules-for-all-arrl-contests
The general rules or ARRL contests state -
3.7.2.1. Stations remotely controlled by radio link may
use necessary equipment at the control point.
Note: there is no reference to stations remotely
controlled by internet link.
3.9. Contacts made through repeaters, digipeaters, or
gateways are not permitted.
3.10. The use of non-Amateur Radio means of communication
(for example, Internet or telephone) to solicit a
contact (or contacts) during the contest period is
not permitted.
It would appear that, for each and every K4VV QSO hosted
on the internet as a result of calling CQ or TEST, the
internet was indeed used to solicit those QSOs.
IMHO, remote contesting, with its absolute dependence
on the internet for each and every QSO, needs to be
identified as such, and needs separate categories for
scoring and listing purposes. For identification, the
suffixes /IM (internet mobile) or /R (remote) would do
do the job.
73,
Paul EI5DI
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