Felipe, Field strength measurements are far from being circumstantial.
They are real and you can take that to the bank. I still would like to
know what kind of antenna used on 160 meters could produce a 25 db gain
in all directions.
Herb, KV4FZ
On 5/16/2015 6:37 PM, Felipe J. Hernández wrote:
Herb,
Having been one of the few ops that had used Pedros station on its
glory days you are preaching to the choir.
Your argument is what has us and others discussing this issue,
technically is a given..
But im afraid is circumstancial.
Zulu..
2015-05-16 15:12 GMT-04:00 Herbert Schoenbohm
<herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com <mailto:herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com>>:
Felipe, With all due respect to your unique position I would
think that many would like to know what kind of antenna design
devised by anyone, even Eric NP3A "with a degree of antenna
design" extant that could produce an equal signal here at my QTH
with the claimed 4.7 watts to NP4A's 1500 watts. This would
require an antenna capable of producing 25 db gain. Since my QTH
is 125 miles SE of KP4 I would assume that this supper antenna at
KP4KE had an omni-directional pattern. If you know of such an 160
meter antenna design that is capable of producing 320 times the
power, or 25 db gain, it would be worth millions in the
communications and broadcast industry. The claim that KP4KE's
"double bazooka" was capable of such performance when his 160
meter QRP "record" was achieved defies all known existing laws of
physics. As you stated "our approach has to be scientific and
fair for KP4KE" so why not explain to me what antenna known
anywhere in the world is capable of developing this kind of gain.
The picture KP4KE has published on QRZ.com shows only a modest
installation compared to that of Pedro, NP4A. At some point we can
all benefit by knowing of an antenna design capable of developing
25db omni- directional gain on 160 meters if such an antenna
actually exists. You indeed have peaked my curiosity on this
subject.
Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
On 5/16/2015 12:56 PM, Felipe J. Hernández wrote:
Herb
It is not about changing the op, in this case Eric is an
acomplished Rf engineer and contester, with a degree of antenna
design and lots of experience in terrain modeling.
So the perspective of an operator with that profile could shed
significant light on the overal station performance, since
certain QTH's have an advantage over others as well as other
antennas also bring that extra db, that can create an overrall
better performance of the station.
If we are going to stay true to our intention, our approach has
to be scientific and fair for KP4KE.. the information about his
previous operations is certainly valid and the committee
Im sure is considering it and has considered it, since I believe
he has already been DQ for power claims. Im sure there will be
enought ways to compare during the contest.
How much these records make sense can easily be easily analized
by looking at other zone 7 and 8 QRP stations in the past, but I
think thats another discussion...
Lets wait if his commitment stands, he has failed his commitments
before..
Felipe
NP4Z
El sábado, 16 de mayo de 2015, Herbert Schoenbohm
<herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com
<mailto:herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com>> escribió:
Felipe,
I don't know how just changing the operator will prove
anything at all. What I know to a moral certainty is the
comparison on KP4TE alleged QRP signal on ground wave and
that of NP4A's full power signal from a great location with a
superb antenna system at the same time. This proved to me
that KP4KE's claim of running "4.7 watts to a double
bazooka" when he established his published record that his
QRP" entry was totally bogus. The signal measurements made
here of the two stations in comparison do not lie.
Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
On 5/16/2015 8:03 AM, Felipe J. Hernández wrote:
To address Herb's comments:
We had an honest conversation with kp4ke regarding the
questions around his
qrp and other operations.
HE has agreed to allow ERic Np3a to operate his station
and to show the
world how his station performs in qrp, the official date
set by him was on
wpx cw this year.
Certainly we are anxious as you to make sure that these
were all valid
entries, let's wait for wpx and see.
73's
Felipe
NP4Z
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Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:52:26 -0400
From: Herbert Schoenbohm <herbs@vitelcom.net>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Re. TO7A Debacle
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There are others in the record book essentially in
perpetuity. The fact
that CQ Contesting still posts some of the biggest
malefactors, i.e. the
low band QRP world records of an infamous station in KP4,
just prevents
others from even giving such an impossible score a
legitimate challenge.
These were certainty challenged and with the adequate
proof of the fact
that the were the result of cheating. But since CQ let
this matter just
slide and didn't properly DQ, it stands as a detriment to
radio
contesting for those who follow the rules and as an
encouragement to
those who don't .
Looking ahead, either we slay this beast of contesting as
we know it
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