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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Is it time that the contest sponsors officially identify SCP as "assisted?"
From: Barry <w2up@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 19:56:54 -0700
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A youtube video (I found a short one) is worth 1000 words:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yCAZWdqX_Y

Barry W2UP

On 12/2/2015 17:28, Chuck Dietz wrote:
OK, I'll bite. No hands on the steering wheel?

Chuck, W5PR

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:24 PM, w2up@comcast.net <w2up@comcast.net> wrote:






     Yes, automation is on the way. Last month I drove from Denver to Vegas
and back with no foot on the pedal and no hands on the steering wheel for
1400 of the 1700 mile trip. Compared to that, automated contesting is easy!

Barry W2UP
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone



------ Original message------From: Stan StocktonDate: Wed, Dec 2, 2015
8:35 AMTo: john@kk9a.com;Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com;Subject:Re:
[CQ-Contest] Is it time that the contest sponsors officially identify SCP
as "assisted?"
Making code readers cause you to be in assisted category is a stop measure
to total automation.  After lunch the other day, my bother who is not a ham
and who heard nothing but talk of all this for an hour during lunch, told
me that it seemed a very small step to go from what is being done by a
human to total automation.73...Stan, K5GO/ZF2ET> On Dec 2, 2015, at 8:00
AM, "john@kk9a.com"  wrote:> > Until recently I thought that assisted
meant getting outside assistance to> find stations, typically multipliers.
Skimmer made this more complicated> as it really is not anyone else helping
you find stations. Then the> committee changed the rules to include code
readers as assisted. Certainly> logging software and computer generated CW
are also some type of> assistance or why would we use them. There would be
no way to run on two> bands simultaneously using a keyer and pad of paper.
Where does this end?> > John KK9A> > > To:    cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject:    [CQ-Contest] Is it time that the contest sponsors officially>
identify SCP as "assisted?"> From:    kr2q@optimum.net> Date:    Mon, 30
Nov 2015 23:26:40 +0000 (GMT)> List-post:    mailto:
cq-contest@contesting.com>> Yes, the sponsors (or their committees) make
the rules and the definitions.> > In CQWW and other contests, use of a
database to alter calls is not> allowed...post contest.> > There can be
zero doubt that using SCP is using a database assembled by> others.> Is
there really a difference in changing a callsign during the contest via>
use> of a db as> compared to changing it after the contest via a database?
Think about it.> > Please focus on the "database" aspect rather than the
timing aspect.> > If CQWW can recognize use of a CW decoder (any type, not
just skimmer> type) as> assisted,> then why not recognize use of SCP as
assisted?> > For me (IMHO), use of SCP is far more "assisted" than use of a
cw decoder.> > If SCP partial is not helping you "copy" the callsign, then
why use it? > Would> you be happy> to operate without it?  If yes, then say
so.  If no, say so...and please> clarify why not.> > This is an old tune
for me.  See my NCJ article from May 1996, which covers> many topics,>
including SCP.  Don't have it available?  Write me and I'll send you a
copy.> > Some things never change....or can they?> > Usual disclaimer about
my opinion versus my membership on the CQWWCC.> > de Doug KR2Q> >
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