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Re: [CQ-Contest] SO1R vs. SO2R

To: JFielder@TwinCityNetworks.com, cq-contest@contesting.com, n2ic@arrl.net
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SO1R vs. SO2R
From: Alan Dewey via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Aldewey@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 12:24:13 -0400
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Jim;
 
I respectfully disagree with having separate classes for SO1R and  SO2R.  
Here are my reasons:
 
1) There are too many categories as it is already.
 
2)  With SO2R, a contester is still operating independently but using  
additional technology totally contained within his station to help find new  
stations and multipliers to work.
 
3) Operating SO2R well is a skill that has to be developed.  It's a  little 
easier to do on RTTY but takes some practice to do it well on CW and  SSB.  
I don't think contesters should be penalized (by being thrown in  another 
category) for developing this skill.
 
4) It is certainly easier and, perhaps, more relaxing to operate with  just 
one radio. But if you are willing to get two radios going, you should not  
be penalized.
 
5) There are many other things that might discourage a newbie that wants to 
 be competitive.  Not having a great antenna, not being in a good location, 
 not having the latest high tech radio, etc. to name a few.  Not being able 
 to do SO2R is just one of these and maybe not that big of one.
 
6) SO2R adds to the enjoyment of many contests for me.  If I did not  have 
SO2R on the Sunday afternoon of SS, I think I would fall asleep from  
boredom.
 
7) Finally, the financial entry point to SO2R is not that great.  For  the 
Tribander and wires guy, it just means adding a second transceiver (which  
can be a low cost used rig), some bandbass filters, and some simple switching 
 gear (which can be built or purchased).  As for antennas, a simple 
vertical  in the back yard will work.  Or, you can add a Triplexer for around 
$300, 
 and use your yagi on multiple bands at once.  Software is free (i.e.  
N1MM).  The big investment is in the time to learn to do it well.
 
I do agree that operating SO2R is an advantage over SO1R.  However is  does 
not, in my opinion, rise to the level of having a separate category for  
it.  
 
73,
 
AL, K0AD
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/7/2016 5:04:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
JFielder@TwinCityNetworks.com writes:

I know  we sort of hijacked this thread.  Sorry.  I decided to change the  
subject line as it needs to be a separate thread.  RTTY is a huge  advantage 
as running on both radios is entirely possible.  I have seen it  and done 
it myself.  I do feel that a SO1R class would be good.   Especially for 
encouraging the newbies or those experienced contesters who are  limited on 
what 
they can have in their shack.  I just think it is an all  around a good idea 
and wanted to share my thoughts on here.    

73, Jim
KE0L

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:30 PM, Steve London  <n2icarrl@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I doubt that KE0L and N2TK  are talking about N6MJ's performances at 
ZF2MJ and KP3Z. Maybe they can  clarify.
> 
> Since you left out what they originally said, I'll  repeat it here:
> 
>> On 04/05/2016 08:15 PM, Jim Fielder  wrote:
>> Me too!   I think so2r is a huge advantage over  so1r.   I bet we would 
see more newbies stay with contesting if they  felt they had a fighting 
chance to win with their so1r setup.   They  put in a FT effort only to find 
out 
someone has 50%  more Qs than they  have.  After all this is a competition 
so they should be in their own  class.  Then when they are ready they too 
can invest in multiple towers  with stacked beams and so2r.  If it is the goal 
to increase activity in  contesting I feel we should not scare away those 
SO1R operators but rather  recognize their efforts.
>> 
>> 73, Jim
>>  KE0L
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:20 PM, N2TK, Tony  <tony.kaz@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> For my  own selfish reasons I would like to see SO1R and SO2R  
Unassisted
>>> separate.
>>> 
>>>  73,
>>> N2TK, Tony
> 
>> On 04/06/2016 09:19 AM,  john@kk9a.com wrote:
>> I used to also believe this but it is  incorrect. Look how many 2nd radio
>> QSOs N6MJ made in CQWW  CW.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no8nGGa99cE
>> 
>>  John KK9A
>> 
>> 
>> To:     cq-contest@contesting.com
>> Subject:    Re: [CQ-Contest]  cqcontest.net
>> From:    Steve London  <n2icarrl@gmail.com>
>> Reply-to:     n2ic@arrl.net
>> Date:    Wed, 06 Apr 2016 08:09:16  -0600
>> 
>> SO2R has a very small effect on the number of  QSO's made in a contest. 
The
>> number of 2nd radio QSO's I make in  major contests is always less than 
10%
>> of the total number of  QSO's. The primary advantage of SO2R is finding
>> multipliers, not  QSO's.
>> 
>> As a reminder, CQWW has a "Classic" overlay  category that is SO1R-only.
>> It's also 24 hours - you pick the 24  hours. Lots of fun.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Steve,  N2IC
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