Hello Mark,
I understand your point.
In fact, I also enjoy entering SO without any assistance very much. After
many years of entering assisted, I would say that I enjoy it even more than
when using DX alerting. The thrill of finding mults is bigger and it feels
more rewarding.
You can check CQ WW DX CW of the years 2013 and 2014. I participated from
CE3CT, I even won a beautiful plaque for SOAB HP Southern Cone!
However ,despite what I end up enjoying more these days, and despite the
fact that keeping categories separated make it easier to win a plaque, at
least from these latitudes, I feel that I really don't do any good to our
"sport" by putting my personal likes and convenience before what's best for
our hobby overall.
Scores cannot be compared to make conclusions. The situation is very
simple. DX Assistance is being abused by cheaters, to take an unfair
advantage over their peers and it cannot be detected.
Those cases that are detected belong to silly guys that abuse packet usage
in a big way.
I recall a very close finish between two US stations in SOAB in CQ WW CW a
few years ago. Though I know the integrity of the two ops in questions
nothing can be said about the result. But what if the ops involved in that
very close race were others. You could never tell which was using packet
cluster to grab a few extra tens of mults throughout the weekend at all.
Too bad people cannot realize what's best for the sport.
I'll continue to enter SOAB when I feel like doing so, even if the two
categories are combined and I have no chance to win anything at all.
73,
Martin LU5DX
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:11 PM, <kd4d@comcast.net> wrote:
> Good day, Martin:
>
> It makes sense to keep the separation between single operator and single
> operator Assisted/Unlimited because many of us believe the skill involved
> in finding stations to work without having a computer or other operator do
> it for us is worth measuring (and a lot of fun). The organizers of WRTC,
> for one, agree - look at their rules sometime.
>
> It is not obvious that operators who don't use the DX alerting assistance
> (particularly on CW) will do better than those who do not - THAT is what
> the SOs are complaining about. We don't want to be forced to use DX
> alerting assistance to compete. The same operators, using DX alerting
> assistance, will make higher scores than they do without...The CW
> skimmers/RBN have made this particularly obvious for CW operations.
>
> Clearly, combining the categories is all about comparing the highest
> scores for everyone and everyone wishing to be competitive will use DX
> alerting assistance if the categories are combined. I certainly use it in
> WAE (where there is one category) when I operate that contest.
>
> Why do the advocates of combining the categories - surely they only
> operate Assisted - want to combine the categories anyway? I understand the
> concerns of the contest organizers, but why do any of the Assisted
> operators care?
>
> 73,
>
> Mark, KD4D
>
> At this point it makes no sense to keep this separation anymore.
>
> In the end, SO will keep doing better than those who use DX alerting
> assistance, so what SOs are complaining about?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "LU5DX Martin" <lu5dx@lucg.com.ar>
> To: "Davor Kucelin" <davor.kucelin@plavalaguna.hr>, "cq-contest" <
> cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 11:08:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Convergence and Change
>
> What's your point?
>
> Combining SOAB and SOAB(A) has nothing to do with comparing the highest
> scores in each category.
>
> It's about eliminating the possibility of taking even a very small unfair
> advantage throughout the 48-hour period that can place a cheater above
> his/her competitors (even if it is very little above in the rankings)
>
> It also has to do with eliminating the burden and work overload that
> implies trying to find those who cheat.
>
> Reality is that ops who cheat have perfected their techniques beyond what
> can be detected by log checkers. Those who get caught year after year are
> those who abuse of DX clusters in a very obvious way.
>
> At this point it makes no sense to keep this separation anymore.
>
> In the end, SO will keep doing better than those who use DX alerting
> assistance, so what SOs are complaining about?
>
> They can even still use a pen and paper logs and send CW with a straight
> key if they want.
>
> Are there still contesters out there entering contests because they think
> they are winning anything at all, or winning over anybody at all??
>
> What in the world would make someone think he/she is winning over someone
> who is thousand of miles away, with totally different equipment,
> propagation and participating according to a bunch of rules that are hardly
> enforceable?t
>
> C'mon guys. It seems like intelligence is inversely proportional to egos
> among certain high profile contesters :-)
>
> Our "competitions" have nothing of real competitions. It is just a game of
> enjoyment, but if we are still going to pretend these are competitions, at
> least we can establish the foundations to make them something a bit more
> trustworthy in those terms.
>
> 73,
>
> Martin LU5DX
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 4:03 AM, Davor Kucelin <
> davor.kucelin@plavalaguna.hr
> > wrote:
>
> > CQWW SSB Top 10 scores all years
> >
> >
> >
> > SOABHP
> >
> >
> >
> > 1 EA8BH 1999 SO HP ALL 25,646,796
> > 10,253 176 692 - N5TJ
> >
> > 2 CN2R 2004 SO HP ALL 20,938,680
> > 8,655 172 668 - W7EJ
> >
> > 3 D4B 2004 SO HP ALL 20,433,438
> > 8,799 172 674 - 4L5A
> >
> > 4 D4B 2003 SO HP ALL 20,119,968
> > 8,956 169 634 - 4L5A
> >
> > 5 CN2R 2003 SO HP ALL 18,743,250
> > 8,682 152 594 - W7EJ
> >
> > 6 HC8A 1999 SO HP ALL 18,607,050
> > 8,638 175 595 - N6KT
> >
> > 7 CN2R 2011 SO HP ALL 18,518,160
> > 8,409 167 593 44.7 W7EJ
> >
> > 8 CN2R 2013 SO HP ALL 18,277,746
> > 8,370 167 579 46.9 W7EJ [Cert]
> >
> > 9 HC8A 2000 SO HP ALL 18,122,040
> > 9,160 163 547 - N6KT
> >
> > 10 8P5A 2013 SO HP ALL 17,059,840
> > 10,126 162 518 48.0 W2SC
> >
> >
> >
> > SOAB ASSISTED HP
> >
> >
> >
> > 1 9Y4ZC 2003 SA HP ALL 14,979,055
> > 8,114 137 500 - DL6FBL
> >
> > 2 P40A 2011 SA HP ALL 14,332,656
> > 7,478 156 513 43.5 KK9A
> >
> > 3 TM6M 2015 SA HP ALL 14,263,470
> > 7,057 168 667 47.9 F8DBF [Cert]
> >
> > 4 P40P 2002 SA HP ALL 12,975,732
> > 6,639 154 528 - W5AJ
> >
> > 5 EF8U 2013 SA HP ALL 12,743,163
> > 6,656 154 533 45.0 EA8RM [Cert]
> >
> > 6 NN3W 2011 SA HP ALL 11,828,236
> > 4,921 185 683 44.7 @N3HBX
> >
> > 7 OH0X 2015 SA HP ALL 11,790,240
> > 6,294 174 706 48.0 OH6KZP [Cert]
> >
> > 8 P40W 2003 SA HP ALL 11,755,443
> > 6,730 137 496 - W2GD
> >
> > 9 D4B 2002 SA HP ALL 11,567,412
> > 5,845 152 586 - 4L5A
> >
> >
> >
> > CQWW CW Top 10 scores all years
> >
> >
> >
> > SOABHP
> >
> >
> >
> > 1 EA8BH 2000 SO HP ALL 18,010,765
> > 7,555 183 634 - N5TJ
> >
> > 2 ZF2MJ 2015 SO HP ALL 16,730,788
> > 10,014 170 527 48.0 N6MJ [Cert]
> >
> > 3 CR3OO 2015 SO HP ALL 16,090,078
> > 8,812 152 474 48.0 CT1BOH [Cert]
> >
> > 4 P40E 2003 SO HP ALL 15,943,070
> > 7,828 169 546 - CT1BOH
> >
> > 5 EF8M 2011 SO HP ALL 15,846,012
> > 7,873 160 531 48.0 RD3A
> >
> > 6 PZ5T 2011 SO HP ALL 15,673,940
> > 7,592 173 545 47.4 VE3DZ
> >
> > 7 CR3E 2012 SO HP ALL 15,221,316
> > 7,275 170 556 48.0 CT1BOH [Cert]
> >
> > 8 CR3E 2011 SO HP ALL 15,151,668
> > 7,212 168 564 48.0 CT1BOH
> >
> > 9 EF8M 2010 SO HP ALL 15,117,795
> > 7,598 158 535 47.8 RD3A
> >
> > 10 HC8N 1999 SO HP ALL 14,626,579
> > 7,001 185 546 - N5KO
> >
> >
> >
> > SOAB ASSISTED HP
> >
> >
> >
> > 1 9Y4ZC 2004 SA HP ALL 14,581,665
> > 6,576 169 596 - DL6FBL
> >
> > 2 5B/AA1TN 2004 SA HP ALL 13,715,573
> > 6,381 170 627 - RW3QC
> >
> > 3 EF9O 2013 SA HP ALL 13,530,554
> > 5,826 171 623 46.6 EA5BM [Cert]
> >
> > 4 K5ZD/1 2014 SA HP ALL 12,768,365
> > 4,993 190 697 44.3 [Cert]
> >
> > 5 EF8U 2013 SA HP ALL 11,955,126
> > 5,700 169 602 44.2 EA8RM [Cert]
> >
> > 6 CN3A 2010 SA HP ALL 11,818,159
> > 5,729 156 577 46.4
> >
> > 7 NP4Z 2013 SA HP ALL 11,341,512
> > 6,059 165 591 46.9
> >
> > 8 K5ZD/1 2015 SA HP ALL 11,275,488
> > 4,742 179 654 44.9 [Cert]
> >
> > 9 CT9M 2002 SA HP ALL 11,225,452
> > 5,181 159 605 - DL2CC
> >
> > 10 P40C 2014 SA HP ALL 11,085,536
> > 6,242 154 462 44.8 KU1CW
> >
> >
> >
> > So what are we talking about?
> >
> > Best Assisted score is way below 10th unassisted score.
> >
> > What are you than scared about to combine the 2 categorys.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 73 Dave 9A1UN
> >
> >
> >
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