So convenience trumps principles? This is not surprising.
Split on 80 and 40, sometimes even on 20, is a common practice during SSB
contests.
Rudy N2WQ
Sent using a tiny keyboard. Please excuse brevity, typos, or inappropriate
autocorrect.
> On Mar 15, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Jeff AC0C <keepwalking188@ac0c.com> wrote:
>
> Sure you can. Split is not generally used in contesting specifically because
> of the dual spectrum use on one band.
>
> There is some of that done by way of exception - especially on 40m - where
> the common international band allocations are tight to begin with as a way to
> expand the effective band. But otherwise split is definitely frowned on. Too
> bad; there are sometimes where a really rare DX guy shows up in a contest and
> his rate is near zero because of the massive pile up all on one frequency...
>
> 73/jeff/ac0c
> www.ac0c.com
> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Rudy Bakalov via CQ-Contest
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 7:45 PM
> To: Radio K0HB
> Cc: Helmut Mueller ; cq-contest@contesting.com ; W0MU Mike Fatchett
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Prohibiting Interleaved CQs - killing Inovation
>
> The same argument can be made for working so split. Sounds like the two use
> cases of using extra spectrum are treated differently. You can't pick and
> chose and favor one vs the other.
>
> Rudy N2WQ
>
> Sent using a tiny keyboard. Please excuse brevity, typos, or inappropriate
> autocorrect.
>
>
>> On Mar 15, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Radio K0HB <kzerohb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Helmut, I don't think that this resistance to interleaved-CQ is
>> "anti-innovation" at all, but resistance to "excess occupancy".
>>
>> By any reasonable measure, running interleaved CQs on two QRG's in the same
>> band consumes two operating channels on that band. In the existing period
>> of limited propagation, many would consider such double-occupancy of a
>> finite resource to be selfish, not innovative.
>>
>> Suppose for a moment, that I could "innovate" a method of interleaving 10
>> CQs on a single band. Would you applaud my innovation, or would you curse
>> my hoggery?
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 11:07 Helmut Mueller <helmut@photo42.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Guys.
>>>
>>> These "new" techniques are just the evolution of contest, deal with it!
>>>
>>> There are different contests out there who have different rules and smart
>>> people REALLY understand the rules and apply every effort that is allowed
>>> by the rules! This is called contesting art or INOVATION!
>>>
>>> You want to make all contests the same? Keep whining!
>>>
>>> Centurys ago someone came up with stacked antennas: I bet there were
>>> people moaning about this.
>>> Centurys ago someone came up with computer logging and keying: I bet there
>>> were people moaning about this.
>>> Centurys ago someone came up with SO2R: People were moaning about this.
>>> There are many more examples like this ... now we have SO2RUN or
>>> Interleave QSOs!
>>>
>>> I call this innovation! It is fantastic!
>>>
>>> This is from the PJ2T website:
>>>
>>> Dedicated to fun, international friendship, and advancement of the
>>> contesting art through superior operating technique and maximum application
>>> of technology
>>>
>>> Could not say it any better!
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Helmut DF7ZS
>>>
>>> df7zs.de
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] Im Auftrag von
>>> W0MU Mike Fatchett
>>> Gesendet: Wednesday, 15 March, 2017 04:50 AM
>>> An: cq-contest@contesting.com
>>> Betreff: Re: [CQ-Contest] Prohibiting Interleaved CQs on Two or More
>>> Frequencies in the Same Band
>>>
>>> If you agree that the rules need to be changed, you need to make your
>>> ARRL Division Directors aware of your feelings. I believe there is a
>>> meeting coming up soon and I believe that this item can be taken up at that
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Alternating CQ's on different bands is pretty common on RTTY. I think
>>> that this practice should be allowed and monitored to make sure that
>>> stations are adhering to the one transmitted signal at a time for Single
>>> ops.
>>>
>>> I can only image the situation where we have a wall of stations at
>>> 14.150 going up and 14.347 going down for alternating cq's. Add in EU and
>>> the Caribbean and we have a big mess.
>>>
>>> W0MU
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 3/14/2017 5:08 PM, Dick Green WC1M wrote:
>>>> I strongly support Frank's proposal, but the prohibition should apply to
>>> Single Ops, too, as it does in CQ WW.
>>>>
>>>> I realize that multi-op stations are more likely to be equipped to do
>>> alternating CQs on the same band (A and B radios with two ops on each band,
>>> multiple antennas per band with good isolation), but it certainly can be
>>> done in an SO2R station. If only one band is open enough to run, then the
>>> impact on the spectrum is the same.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a compelling reason to allow Single Ops to do alternating CQs
>>> on the same band?
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I think a case could be made for banning alternating CQs
>>> altogether. I'd regret that because I've sometimes used it as a Single Op
>>> to boost rate or fight boredom, but it definitely does use up more
>>> spectrum. If only two bands are open in a big contest, that spectrum is
>>> likely to be very limited. What if a rare mult running low power can't find
>>> a place to CQ because the alternating CQers are taking up more than their
>>> share of space? What about the impact on non-contesters?
>>>>
>>>> 73. Dick WC1M
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: donovanf@starpower.net [mailto:donovanf@starpower.net]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:01 PM
>>>> To: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>
>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Prohibiting Interleaved CQs on Two or More
>>>> Frequencies in the Same Band
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I recommend that alternating CQs on two or more frequencies on the same
>>> band be prohibited immediately in all ARRL HF contests, exactly as it is
>>> now prohibited in all CQ WW DX Contests and for multi-operators in the IARU
>>> HF Championship.
>>>>
>>>> The reason for my recommendation is that the recent success of the
>>>> PJ4G team in CQing on alternate frequencies on the same band (both on
>>>> 20 and 15 meters) in the recent ARRL SSB DX Contest will inevitably be
>>>> applied -- very soon -- by other multi-operator competitors in future
>>>> ARRL contests. Unfortunately this will be to the very considerable
>>>> detriment of other HF spectrum users
>>>> -- both contesters and non-contesters -- because of the very limited
>>> available spectrum on every HF band below 28 MHz.
>>>>
>>>> The obvious course of action is to simply apply existing IARU HF
>>> Championship rule 4.3.2.1 to all multi-operator categories in all ARRL HF
>>> contests.
>>>>
>>>> 4.3.2.1. Alternating CQs on two or more frequencies on the same band is
>>> not permitted.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.arrl.org/iaru-hf-championship
>>>>
>>>> A CAC sub-committee is currently engaged in a Rules Consolidation
>>> Project to consolidate “The General Rules of all ARRL Contests”
>>>> “The General Rules for all ARRL contests Below 30 MHz” and individual
>>> contest rules into a single rule set for each of the ARRL HF Contests.
>>>>
>>>> In addition to the consolidation of the rules structure, the ARRL
>>> Programs and Services Committee (PSC) asked the team to develop any
>>> accompanying commentary they choose as to areas where the perceive that the
>>> rules might benefit from revision and, where appropriate, to suggest
>>> revised language.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.arrl.org/files/file/About%20ARRL/Committee%20Reports/2016/J
>>>> uly/Doc_24_0716.pdf
>>>>
>>>> While the CAC's role is solely to respond to projects and issues
>>> assigned by the ARRL Programs and Services Committee; the CAC chairman can
>>> recommend future CAC projects and issues to the PSC.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Frank
>>>> W3LPL
>>>>
>>>>
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