Seeing a similar issue here as well
> -----Original Message-----
> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
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> On Behalf Of Norm Young
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:49 PM
> To: Karlnet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
>
> Amen brother(s). Same problem noted here. It really limits where I
can
> use
> the KN-50 CPEs.
>
> Norm
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Hrbek" <bhrbek@jagwireless.net>
> To: "Karlnet Mailing List" <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
>
>
> > I've seen the same exact think on my first 3 KN-50 installs. I
> replaced
> > the Dell cards all three times with older silvers and the links went
> from
> > marginally working to working perfectly.
> >
> > Karlnet....you got your ears on?
> >
> >
> > -bob
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Timothy J. Steele" <tsteele@e-isco.com>
> > To: <karlnet@wispnotes.com>
> > Cc: <support@karlnet.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:10 PM
> > Subject: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
> >
> >
> > > Last month there was a post to a thread from Mark McKibbin (see
> > >
http://lists.wispnotes.com/pipermail/karlnet/2003-October/003153.html
> > > <http://lists.wispnotes.com/pipermail/karlnet/2003-
> October/003146.html>
> > > ) in regards to the KN50 "Blackbird" units. His questions were in
> > > regards to the poor link quality of the Orinoco Gold cards and
other
> > > cards that have been included with the units. We have been
> experiencing
> > > similar problems (our units were purchased with Dell TrueMobile
Radios
> > > (Agere chipset Firmware rev. 8.10.1)). I have been running tests
on a
> > > number of different cards with the KN50. The following are the
> results:
> > >
> > > NOTE: These tests were conducted on live point-to-multipoint
> > > connections. We used all the same hardware for our testing; the
only
> > > change was the radio card for each test. The KN50 board was
> classified
> > > as a SOHO CPE with product v1.00-00-073017. Our average
connection
> > > speed with a 1024k key is around 700-900k. The Base units we used
for
> > > testing are using software versions 4.43 and 4.44. They have a
varied
> > > number of subscribers, from 4 (a new site) up to 50+ (our oldest
> site).
> > > On all these tests, the SNR was between 12dB and 18dB upstream to
Base
> > > and 21dB to 30dB downstream from Base.
> > >
> > > Dell Radio:
> > > Chipset: Agere
> > > Firmware ver.: 8.10.1
> > > PING test (a standard IP tools PING test from a PC through the
Base to
> > > the CPE (100 packets)): 73% of the packets lost
> > > Throughput test (5 bandwidth tests from 2wire.com and
dslreports.com):
> > > 278, 112, 245, 237, 298 (speed measured in kilobits)
> > > NOTE: The packets lost in the PING test are RARELY noted on the
> client
> > > side (i.e. surfing the Internet, Web Page comes up unavailable).
They
> > > just notice a significant slowdown.
> > >
> > > Orinoco Gold:
> > > Chipset: Agere
> > > FW ver: 8.72.1
> > > PING test: 64% lost
> > > Throughput: 451, 368, 519, 259, 311
> > >
> > > Orinoco Silver:
> > > Chipset: Agere
> > > FW ver: 6.6.1
> > > PING test: 0% lost
> > > Throughput: 676, 574, 481, 625, 616
> > >
> > > Avaya Radio:
> > > Chipset: Agere
> > > FW ver: 6.8.1
> > > PING test: 0% lost
> > > Throughput: 550, 447, 380, 571, 561
> > >
> > > Wave Wireless Radio:
> > > Chipset: Agere
> > > FW ver: 6.8.1
> > > PING test: 1% lost
> > > Throughput: 515, 660, 674, 553, 622
> > >
> > > Demarctech Prism Radio:
> > > Chipset: Intersil (800C)
> > > FW ver: 1.3.6
> > > PING test: 3%
> > > Throughput 591, 745, 652, 733, 725
> > >
> > > At the location where we were doing the final throughput tests, an
> NDIS
> > > install in a local server has the following results:
> > > PING test: 1% lost
> > > Throughput: 725, 989, 867, 967, 802
> > >
> > > I realize that the PING test is hardly conclusive, but it
definitely
> > > coincides with the lower bandwidth connections. Does anyone else
have
> > > similar findings? One other point of note is that the PING test
on a
> > > unit connected to a highly utilized Base has significantly more
> dropped
> > > packets on the Dell and Orinoco Gold cards (i.e. The cards are
noted
> > > with a 73% and 64% loss on a Base with 40+ subscribers, these
numbers
> > > drop to 35% and 23% on a Base with 20 or less clients). This
would
> > > indicate Base unit over saturation, but we can connect a standard
NDIS
> > > (radio) client or a KN100 board and the PING tests and throughput
> tests
> > > are excellent (0% loss, avg. 880k throughput).
> > >
> > > It appears that cards running older versions of firmware (6.x.x)
do
> not
> > > have the problems that newer firmware (8.x.x) have; at least in
> regards
> > > to the KN50. I have upgraded the Orinoco Silver card to v8.7.5
> firmware
> > > and it exhibits the same problems. I downgraded the firmware and
the
> > > problem goes away. Our only option, at this point, is to
downgrade
> the
> > > firmware on the newer cards or try to find older silver cards with
the
> > > external antenna attachment (seeing as how the new silvers do not
have
> > > them anymore).
> > >
> > > I tested the Orinoco Gold and the Dell Radio in a KN100 board with
the
> > > following results:
> > >
> > > OG:
> > > PING test: 0% lost
> > > Throughput: 714, 784, 987, 966, 908
> > >
> > > Dell:
> > > PING Test: 1% lost
> > > Throughput: 837, 664, 843, 767, 813
> > >
> > > This looks like a problem with the KN50's and newer Agere
firmware.
> > > Anytime you install 8.x firmware on any radio in the KN50,
performance
> > > is significantly reduced and there is a high amount of IP packet
> > > failure. Our research team would like to know if anyone else
concurs
> > > with these findings and is there a solution in the works. If not,
is
> > > there anymore testing you would like from our end to get this
issue
> > > resolved?
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim Steele & Marcus Rudd
> > > Wireless Networking Engineers
> > > e-ISCO Internet
> > > www.e-isco.com <http://www.e-isco.com/>
> > >
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