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> -----Original Message-----
> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> On Behalf Of Bryan
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:33 PM
> To: Karlnet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
>
> If these 2 attachments make it thru - here are the only 2 I have...
>
> bls
>
> Mark McKibbin wrote:
>
> >I can't find them on the Agere site or the Dell one
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Mark McKibbin
> >DCS Internet
> >64 Queen St
> >Warragul
> >Victoria 3820
> >Australia
> >www.dcsi.net.au
> >mark@team.dcsi.net.au
> >Ph. 1300 665 575 (Help Desk)
> >Ph. +61 356 241 120 (Direct)
> >Fx. 1300 556 595
> >Fx. +61 356 220 617
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Dan Metcalf [mailto:dan.metcalf@wbsysnet.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:16 AM
> >To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> >Subject: RE: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
> >
> >Were can I download the "firmware & flash" for the Orinoco radios?
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> >>
> >>
> >[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> >
> >
> >>On Behalf Of Kevin Knuth
> >>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:04 PM
> >>To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> >>Subject: RE: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
> >>
> >>Yes I do!
> >>
> >>I will forward this to engineering RIGHT AWAY!
> >>
> >>Kevin
> >>
> >>**************************************
> >>Kevin R. Knuth
> >>Business Development Manager
> >>North America
> >>260-424-9690 Regional Office
> >>614-822-5275 Corporate Office
> >>kknuth@karlnet.com
> >>www.karlnet.com
> >>**************************************
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> >>[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Bob Hrbek
> >>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 3:23 PM
> >>To: Karlnet Mailing List
> >>Subject: Re: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
> >>
> >>
> >>I've seen the same exact think on my first 3 KN-50 installs. I
> >>replaced
> >>the Dell cards all three times with older silvers and the links went
> >>from marginally working to working perfectly.
> >>
> >>Karlnet....you got your ears on?
> >>
> >>
> >>-bob
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Timothy J. Steele" <tsteele@e-isco.com>
> >>To: <karlnet@wispnotes.com>
> >>Cc: <support@karlnet.com>
> >>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:10 PM
> >>Subject: [Karlnet] KN50 Problem with 8.x firmware
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Last month there was a post to a thread from Mark McKibbin (see
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >http://lists.wispnotes.com/pipermail/karlnet/2003-October/003153.html
> >
> >
>
><http://lists.wispnotes.com/pipermail/karlnet/2003-October/003146.html
> >
> >
> >>>) in regards to the KN50 "Blackbird" units. His questions were in
> >>>regards to the poor link quality of the Orinoco Gold cards and
other
> >>>cards that have been included with the units. We have been
> >>>
> >>>
> >>experiencing
> >>
> >>
> >>>similar problems (our units were purchased with Dell TrueMobile
> >>>
> >>>
> >Radios
> >
> >
> >>>(Agere chipset Firmware rev. 8.10.1)). I have been running tests
on
> >>>
> >>>
> >a
> >
> >
> >>>number of different cards with the KN50. The following are the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>results:
> >>
> >>
> >>>NOTE: These tests were conducted on live point-to-multipoint
> >>>connections. We used all the same hardware for our testing; the
> >>>
> >>>
> >only
> >
> >
> >>>change was the radio card for each test. The KN50 board was
> >>>classified as a SOHO CPE with product v1.00-00-073017. Our average
> >>>connection speed with a 1024k key is around 700-900k. The Base
> >>>
> >>>
> >units
> >
> >
> >>>we used for testing are using software versions 4.43 and 4.44.
They
> >>>have a varied number of subscribers, from 4 (a new site) up to 50+
> >>>(our oldest site). On all these tests, the SNR was between 12dB and
> >>>18dB upstream to Base and 21dB to 30dB downstream from Base.
> >>>
> >>>Dell Radio:
> >>>Chipset: Agere
> >>>Firmware ver.: 8.10.1
> >>>PING test (a standard IP tools PING test from a PC through the Base
> >>>
> >>>
> >to
> >
> >
> >>>the CPE (100 packets)): 73% of the packets lost Throughput test (5
> >>>bandwidth tests from 2wire.com and dslreports.com): 278, 112, 245,
> >>>237, 298 (speed measured in kilobits)
> >>>NOTE: The packets lost in the PING test are RARELY noted on the
> >>>client side (i.e. surfing the Internet, Web Page comes up
> >>>unavailable). They just notice a significant slowdown.
> >>>
> >>>Orinoco Gold:
> >>>Chipset: Agere
> >>>FW ver: 8.72.1
> >>>PING test: 64% lost
> >>>Throughput: 451, 368, 519, 259, 311
> >>>
> >>>Orinoco Silver:
> >>>Chipset: Agere
> >>>FW ver: 6.6.1
> >>>PING test: 0% lost
> >>>Throughput: 676, 574, 481, 625, 616
> >>>
> >>>Avaya Radio:
> >>>Chipset: Agere
> >>>FW ver: 6.8.1
> >>>PING test: 0% lost
> >>>Throughput: 550, 447, 380, 571, 561
> >>>
> >>>Wave Wireless Radio:
> >>>Chipset: Agere
> >>>FW ver: 6.8.1
> >>>PING test: 1% lost
> >>>Throughput: 515, 660, 674, 553, 622
> >>>
> >>>Demarctech Prism Radio:
> >>>Chipset: Intersil (800C)
> >>>FW ver: 1.3.6
> >>>PING test: 3%
> >>>Throughput 591, 745, 652, 733, 725
> >>>
> >>>At the location where we were doing the final throughput tests, an
> >>>NDIS install in a local server has the following results: PING
test:
> >>>1% lost
> >>>Throughput: 725, 989, 867, 967, 802
> >>>
> >>>I realize that the PING test is hardly conclusive, but it
definitely
> >>>coincides with the lower bandwidth connections. Does anyone else
> >>>
> >>>
> >have
> >
> >
> >>>similar findings? One other point of note is that the PING test on
> >>>
> >>>
> >a
> >
> >
> >>>unit connected to a highly utilized Base has significantly more
> >>>dropped packets on the Dell and Orinoco Gold cards (i.e. The cards
> >>>are noted with a 73% and 64% loss on a Base with 40+ subscribers,
> >>>these numbers drop to 35% and 23% on a Base with 20 or less
> >>>
> >>>
> >clients).
> >
> >
> >>>This would indicate Base unit over saturation, but we can connect a
> >>>standard NDIS
> >>>(radio) client or a KN100 board and the PING tests and throughput
> >>>
> >>>
> >>tests
> >>
> >>
> >>>are excellent (0% loss, avg. 880k throughput).
> >>>
> >>>It appears that cards running older versions of firmware (6.x.x) do
> >>>not have the problems that newer firmware (8.x.x) have; at least in
> >>>regards to the KN50. I have upgraded the Orinoco Silver card to
> >>>v8.7.5 firmware and it exhibits the same problems. I downgraded
the
> >>>firmware and the problem goes away. Our only option, at this
point,
> >>>is to downgrade the firmware on the newer cards or try to find
older
> >>>silver cards with the external antenna attachment (seeing as how
the
> >>>new silvers do not have them anymore).
> >>>
> >>>I tested the Orinoco Gold and the Dell Radio in a KN100 board with
> >>>
> >>>
> >the
> >
> >
> >>>following results:
> >>>
> >>>OG:
> >>>PING test: 0% lost
> >>>Throughput: 714, 784, 987, 966, 908
> >>>
> >>>Dell:
> >>>PING Test: 1% lost
> >>>Throughput: 837, 664, 843, 767, 813
> >>>
> >>>This looks like a problem with the KN50's and newer Agere firmware.
> >>>Anytime you install 8.x firmware on any radio in the KN50,
> >>>
> >>>
> >performance
> >
> >
> >>>is significantly reduced and there is a high amount of IP packet
> >>>failure. Our research team would like to know if anyone else
> >>>
> >>>
> >concurs
> >
> >
> >>>with these findings and is there a solution in the works. If not,
> >>>
> >>>
> >is
> >
> >
> >>>there anymore testing you would like from our end to get this issue
> >>>resolved?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Tim Steele & Marcus Rudd
> >>>Wireless Networking Engineers
> >>>e-ISCO Internet
> >>>www.e-isco.com <http://www.e-isco.com/>
> >>>
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