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RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a

To: "'Norm Young'" <lists@applegatebroadband.net>,"'Karlnet Mailing List'" <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
Subject: RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a
From: "Dan Metcalf" <dan.metcalf@wbsysnet.com>
Reply-to: Karlnet Mailing List <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:25:40 -0400
List-post: <mailto:karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
I heard it was about 14Mbps

I wish I had some 2.4ghz channel's free, my noise floor is -70dbm on
some channels


> -----Original Message-----
> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> On Behalf Of Norm Young
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:16 PM
> To: Karlnet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> 
> Care to expand?   I'd keep one of my 2.4GHz channels open, if it's
much
> faster.   (I'm quickly filling all the 2.4GHz channels...still one
open.)
> What sort of CPE is going to be available?   Something like the i19
with
> an
> Atheros radio?
> 
> Norm
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Knuth" <kknuth@ai-wireless.com>
> To: "'Karlnet Mailing List'" <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> 
> 
> > As for speed, I was referring to the "G" systems- much faster than
> > 5.5mbps from what I hear.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > ************************************************
> > Kevin R. Knuth
> > Business Development Manager
> > (260) 424-9690 - Regional Office
> > (818) 760-1000 x 233 -  Corporate Office
> > kknuth@ai-wireless.com - Email
> > www.ai-wireless.com - Web
> > ************************************************
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> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Dan Metcalf
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:51 PM
> > To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> >
> > Only if your running @ 11Mbps... if your at 5.5Mbps (which I am,
since
> > I'm only using the 30mw lucent cards, now if I was using the 200mw
cards
> > w/ -89dBm rx, that's another story)
> >
> > Anyways at 5.5Mbps, the speed isn't as good
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> > > On Behalf Of Kevin Knuth
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:42 PM
> > > To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> > >
> > > I would agree with Dan,
> > >
> > > This is something that you have to plan.
> > >
> > > I do think the Knet systems offers more than Trango or Moto-
> > > specifically SPEED!
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > > ************************************************
> > > Kevin R. Knuth
> > > Business Development Manager
> > > (260) 424-9690 - Regional Office
> > > (818) 760-1000 x 233 -  Corporate Office
> > > kknuth@ai-wireless.com - Email
> > > www.ai-wireless.com - Web
> > > ************************************************
> > >
> > > The information contained in this e-mail and its attachment(s), if
> > any,
> > > are confidential and intended only for the named recipient(s).
This
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Dan Metcalf
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:38 PM
> > > To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> > >
> > > Maybe not, it does make for a difficult "migration" though, but if
you
> > > install a new atheros AP and then only install atheros clients..
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> > > > On Behalf Of Andy Henckel
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:22 PM
> > > > To: Norm Young; Karlnet Mailing List
> > > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> > > >
> > > > Indeed.. pretty goofy.  Makes it pretty hard for us that have
> > invested
> > > a
> > > > lot of money into TC to continue with new products.
> > > >
> > > >  -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com [mailto:karlnet-
> > > > bounces@WISPNotes.com]  On Behalf Of Norm Young
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:17 PM
> > > > To: Karlnet Mailing List
> > > > Subject: Re: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> > > >
> > > > Wow.  That really limits where the  Atheros/TC system is going
to
> > go,
> > > IMO.
> > > > I'd been hoping that I could upgrade my 2.4GHz WIPOPs to .11g
TC.
> > > > Apparently not, as I cannot support my existing customers with
it.
> > It
> > > > also
> > > > opens up the migration path to 5.2/.8 to other gear for TC
WISPs, as
> > > there
> > > > is no (at this point) incentative  to stay with TC, as it
doesn't
> > have
> > > the
> > > > track record of say, Trango or Moto.  (That is, unless something
> > > becomes
> > > > apparent.)  But I remain hopeful, as TC .11b  at 2.4GHz is
currently
> > a
> > > > very
> > > > low cost, scalable solution.
> > > >
> > > > Norm
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Kevin Knuth" <kknuth@ai-wireless.com>
> > > > To: "'Karlnet Mailing List'" <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:01 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I do believe this is due to the way the TurboCell code works.
> > > > >
> > > > > ************************************************
> > > > > Kevin R. Knuth
> > > > > Business Development Manager
> > > > > (260) 424-9690 - Regional Office
> > > > > (818) 760-1000 x 233 -  Corporate Office
> > > > > kknuth@ai-wireless.com - Email
> > > > > www.ai-wireless.com - Web
> > > > > ************************************************
> > > > >
> > > > > The information contained in this e-mail and its
attachment(s), if
> > > any,
> > > > > are confidential and intended only for the named recipient(s).
> > This
> > > > > message and its attachments shall not be discussed,
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> > > please
> > > > > contact the original sender and destroy all copies of the
original
> > > > > message.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Alex
Phillips
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:53 PM
> > > > > To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > > > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> > > > >
> > > > > Well that must be only limited to KN because I have an Atheros
AP
> > > > > talking to Intersil in 11g mode.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Knuth
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:44 PM
> > > > > To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > > > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> > > > >
> > > > > What I have from an email with a Karlnet engineer is the
> > following:
> > > > >
> > > > > What that means is that in a kbridge unit when you select
"802.11b
> > > or
> > > > > 802.11g" mode with an Atheros radio,
> > > > > it won't talk to legacy 802.11b Agere or Intersil radios.
> > > > > So you cannot mix Atheros radio with any other radio in an ISP
> > > network.
> > > > > Atheros radios will only talk with Atheros radios.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kevin
> > > > >
> > > > > ************************************************
> > > > > Kevin R. Knuth
> > > > > Business Development Manager
> > > > > (260) 424-9690 - Regional Office
> > > > > (818) 760-1000 x 233 -  Corporate Office
> > > > > kknuth@ai-wireless.com - Email
> > > > > www.ai-wireless.com - Web
> > > > > ************************************************
> > > > >
> > > > > The information contained in this e-mail and its
attachment(s), if
> > > any,
> > > > > are confidential and intended only for the named recipient(s).
> > This
> > > > > message and its attachments shall not be discussed,
reproduced,
> > > > > distributed, or retransmitted without the prior written
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> > > > > Associated Industries.. If you are not the intended recipient,
> > > please
> > > > > contact the original sender and destroy all copies of the
original
> > > > > message.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Metcalf
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:40 PM
> > > > > To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > > > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it possible to use the 5004chipset (which does a/b/g) and
set
> > it
> > > to B
> > > > > mode to support those clients?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also is that limited to just "agere" or does that include
prism
> > > clients
> > > > > as well
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> > > > > > On Behalf Of Support
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:40 PM
> > > > > > To: Karlnet Mailing List
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My former work associate Kevin is correct, the Atheros based
> > > > > TurboCell(TC)
> > > > > > G
> > > > > > product will NOT function with Agere based TC 802.11b
clients.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Reg Mallory
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > > > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]On Behalf Of Kevin
Knuth
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:08 PM
> > > > > > To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am NOT an authority on this- but I believe I was told that
due
> > > to
> > > > > some
> > > > > > programming issue- the Atheros A/B/G radios will NOT
function
> > with
> > > > > Agere
> > > > > > clients.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can anyone still at Karlnet answer this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kevin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ************************************************
> > > > > > Kevin R. Knuth
> > > > > > Business Development Manager
> > > > > > (260) 424-9690 - Regional Office
> > > > > > (818) 760-1000 x 233 -  Corporate Office
> > > > > > kknuth@ai-wireless.com - Email
> > > > > > www.ai-wireless.com - Web
> > > > > > ************************************************
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The information contained in this e-mail and its
attachment(s),
> > if
> > > > > any,
> > > > > > are confidential and intended only for the named
recipient(s).
> > > This
> > > > > > message and its attachments shall not be discussed,
reproduced,
> > > > > > distributed, or retransmitted without the prior written
consent
> > of
> > > > > > Associated Industries.. If you are not the intended
recipient,
> > > please
> > > > > > contact the original sender and destroy all copies of the
> > original
> > > > > > message.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > > > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Alex
> > Phillips
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:27 PM
> > > > > > To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Will the 11g turbo ap support the 11b turbo remotes?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > > > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Knuth
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:18 PM
> > > > > > To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dan,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One of our product lines is based on TurboCell- so I thought
I
> > > should
> > > > > > keep in touch!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My understanding is that Karlnet will be releasing the KN150
and
> > > KN250
> > > > > > that has a mini-PCI slot, so it can accommodate the "A" and
"G"
> > > > > radios.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kevin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ************************************************
> > > > > > Kevin R. Knuth
> > > > > > Business Development Manager
> > > > > > (260) 424-9690 - Regional Office
> > > > > > (818) 760-1000 x 233 -  Corporate Office
> > > > > > kknuth@ai-wireless.com - Email
> > > > > > www.ai-wireless.com - Web
> > > > > > ************************************************
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The information contained in this e-mail and its
attachment(s),
> > if
> > > > > any,
> > > > > > are confidential and intended only for the named
recipient(s).
> > > This
> > > > > > message and its attachments shall not be discussed,
reproduced,
> > > > > > distributed, or retransmitted without the prior written
consent
> > of
> > > > > > Associated Industries.. If you are not the intended
recipient,
> > > please
> > > > > > contact the original sender and destroy all copies of the
> > original
> > > > > > message.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > > > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Metcalf
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:01 AM
> > > > > > To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kevin,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How come the sudden return to the karlnet list?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For 802.11a karlnet is releasing a new kn150 and kn250
correct?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > > > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> > > > > > > On Behalf Of Kevin Knuth
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:01 AM
> > > > > > > To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The 802.11a product has not been released yet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It will be a mini-PCI based Atheros card.  There are
several
> > > chipset
> > > > > > > versions on the market, but not all perform well enough
for
> > > outdoor
> > > > > > use
> > > > > > > and FCC regulations.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kevin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ************************************************
> > > > > > > Kevin R. Knuth
> > > > > > > Business Development Manager
> > > > > > > (260) 424-9690 - Regional Office
> > > > > > > (818) 760-1000 x 233 -  Corporate Office
> > > > > > > kknuth@ai-wireless.com - Email
> > > > > > > www.ai-wireless.com - Web
> > > > > > > ************************************************
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The information contained in this e-mail and its
> > attachment(s),
> > > if
> > > > > > any,
> > > > > > > are confidential and intended only for the named
recipient(s).
> > > This
> > > > > > > message and its attachments shall not be discussed,
> > reproduced,
> > > > > > > distributed, or retransmitted without the prior written
> > consent
> > > of
> > > > > > > Associated Industries.. If you are not the intended
recipient,
> > > > > please
> > > > > > > contact the original sender and destroy all copies of the
> > > original
> > > > > > > message.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Fejer
> > Zsolt
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:06 AM
> > > > > > > To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > > > > > > Subject: [Karlnet] 802.11a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Could you tell me which type of 802.11a cards supported by
> > > karlnet
> > > > > AND
> > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > external antenna connector?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thanks
> > > > > > > Zsolt
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