Best case of "passing the buck" I've seen or read a bout in a long time.
Gary...wa6fgi
On 4/24/2014 5:37 AM, EDWARDS, EDDIE J wrote:
Joe,
Glad to hear you prevailed without needing to fight it yourself. I stand
corrected on that point.
However, it is also city ordinances that seem to become the tough battle in many cases
with no HOA restrictions. Our limit is 43 ft -9 inches including the antenna. Several
years ago in Omaha, a group of hams including one lawyer tried working with the city
planning dept. in a good faith effort to change this limit even slightly only to be
blind-sided by the same people opposing the change when it finally came up for a vote in
the city council. After the debate, where one councilman stated that technology should
soon create "underground antennas" that work, we were lucky they didn't lower
the allowed height. PRB-1 and a technical presentation didn't matter at all to people
like that. So anyone wanting a higher tower height must go thru the Zoning Board for
special approvals. Ironically, it was the Zoning Board that sent the group of hams to
Planning to change the ordinance so they don't have to deal with it.
73, de ed -K0iL
-----Original Message-----
From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Joe - W7RKN
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:35 PM
To: RFI Contesting
Subject: Re: [RFI] VDSL (very-high-bit-rate digital subscriber line)
Slight correction.....
A newly formed HOA *cannot* impose its new rules on an existing property
owner. The laws expressly prohibit backwards enforcement.
We had a lady here in my neck of the woods trying to start an HOA,
specifically because she felt my antennas devalued her property. She was
not a happy camper to learn that anything she started, if she was successful
in forming an HOA (she failed BTW) excluded my antennas, as I would have
been grandfathered in, per law.
Joe - W7RKN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed K0iL" <eddieedwards@centurylink.net>
Subject: Re: [RFI] VDSL (very-high-bit-rate digital subscriber line)
Rob,
I agree with you 100%! We all need to keep operating or we will
eventually
lose our privileges and our bands.
The mindset our society is moving toward is minority group rights trump
the
majority individual (property) rights. Don't like what your neighbor is
doing on his property? Form a Home Owners Association and run him out.
Over the last 30 years they have perfected this by putting HOA contracts
place before the first houses are even sold.
Our numbers of active HF operators continues to shrink and the average age
of licensed hams continues to climb mostly because of limitations on their
homes blocking activity. Nearly all the people I've recruited to get a
ham
license in last 20 years have never operated HF from their home because
they
live in restrictive neighborhoods.
With property rights becoming a thing of the past, it's only going to get
worse if we don't operate on the air.
73, de ed -K0iL
TV is just entertainment. Amateur Radio is a licensed Radio Service.
-----Original Message-----
From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Rob Atkinson
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 4:40 PM
To: rfi@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RFI] VDSL (very-high-bit-rate digital subscriber line)
All well and good working with ARRL and neighbors but hams need to grow
spines and quit tucking their tails between their legs and capitulating to
neighbors who due to irrational psychology, seem to think watching TV or
some other appliance use is a birthright, but ham radio is just an
optional
play-time activity with some toys.
This comes out for example with antennas, and the deplorable use of hidden
"stealth" antennas to appease neighbors, as if the ham is in the
Resistance
in WW2 or is engaged in some illegal activity, or has a
spy station. It is exceedingly disappointing that the use of these
antennas is promoted in ham magazines such as CQ and QST, complete with
glowing reports of satisfied owners, as if these are excellent and
satisfactory antennas in the fullest sense. If I were counsel
representing
plaintiffs against a ham, all I would need to do is round up dozens of
these
articles and present them to a jury and I'd easily win. I am absolutely
nonplussed every time QST or CQ hands municipalities yet another article
to
use against us. Every one of those articles should carry a prominent
disclaimer to the effect that these antennas are most unsatisfactory and
are
only presented to be used as a temporary measure in the belief that any
antenna is better than none at all.
But, as for RFI, a ham curtailing his mode/power/hours in any way makes as
much sense as the neighbor curtailing his TV watching.
73
Rob
K5UJ
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