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Re: [RFI] Motor starting and UPS

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Subject: Re: [RFI] Motor starting and UPS
From: Bill Vehe <Bill_W9ZJ@COMCAST.NET>
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 16:15:34 -0600
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Dave Robbins  last comment on a faulty neutral is something worth considering.

My home was built in the middle 60s when aluminum wire was frequently used from the pole all the way to the main breaker. One day at dinner time I noticed the lights over the kitchen table got brighter when the electric skillet went on. This did not make sense, so I started investigating. Tests that I conducted on the neutral wiring indicated the problem was not in my home.

So I called the power company and they found a faulty connection where the aluminum drop was connected at the pole. Now to be fair that was 60 years ago, so you are not likely to find aluminum wire as the problem. But as Dave pointed out a faulty neutral can cause problems. Consider this, if you have some resistance in the neutral from your power panel back to the power Co. transformer, then it is likely you will have the same voltage drop regardless of which side of the 120 volt distribution you connect your pump to.


Bill Vehe
W9ZJ
email w9zj@arrl.net



On 11/21/2020 12:05 PM, k1ttt.dave@gmail.com wrote:
It will depend on the ups and the amount of the dip.  I am surprised a 
circulation pump would draw enough to drop the voltage that much, usually they 
are relatively small.  Is the ups on the same circuit as the pump??  Assuming 
they are on the same circuit have you checked for loose or corroded connection 
from the breaker to the pump and outlet??

When you say the sdr is powered from the computer, is that via usb?  Or off one 
of the other power supply voltages internally??  Usually usb is pretty well 
regulated by itself so again it would surprise me that the line voltage would 
affect it that much.  If its off one of the other voltages then maybe a line 
drop would affect it, but that goes back to the paragraph above.

On the ups side.  Some ups's run full time and protect against voltage dips, 
others take some time to switch on and support voltage dips like that.  There 
may also be an adjustment in hardware or software for the switch over to 
battery point.  Some ups's also have a delay before they switch to battery so 
they may not pick up in time.

If you have an appropriate meter you might want to measure the dip to quantify 
it.  It could also be the pump is going bad and drawing way too much starting 
current.  Or another possibility is a faulty neutral between the house and 
pole, that can cause all sorts of nasty voltage swings and has been know to 
blow out equipment and cause fires.

David Robbins K1TTT
e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
web: http://wiki.k1ttt.net
AR-Cluster node: telnet://k1ttt.net:7373


-----Original Message-----
From: RFI <rfi-bounces+k1ttt=arrl.net@contesting.com> On Behalf Of Ron 
Hunsicker via RFI
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 12:32
To: rfi@contesting.com
Subject: [RFI] Motor starting and UPS

Hello,

The power to my computer is via a UPS.  My SDR is powered from the computer.

When one of the water circulation pumps for my heating systems starts (an old 
B&G), the voltage dips so much that it is apparent in the waterfall and a 
drop/loss of audio.

I've tried switching legs (red v black) but that didn't help. Let's ignore the 
idea that the service is too small.

I thought that UPS might "protect" against such dips in the voltage and am 
(obviously) surprised that it does not.

Whadaya think?


Ron

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Ron Hunsicker
1238 Cleveland Avenue
Wyomissing, PA 19610-2102
610-478-0371
ronhunsi at ptd dot net


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