Hi Larry
You could certainly put it at the radio – however in my installation it is much
more convenient to install it at the last device before the antenna feedline.
My interconnecting cables going from the amplifier to low power bandpass filter
and then to the radio are high quality RG-400 which is high isolation.
I like getting rid of any stray RF or RFI on the shield – right at the
amplifier output.
73
Tim K3LR
From: Larry K4AB [mailto:larry.k4ab@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 4:15 PM
To: Tim Duffy
Cc: alex@kr1st.com; Alan Higbie; Rfi List
Subject: Re: [RFI] Old wives tail, or true?
Hello Tim and all,
What's the reasoning behind placing the choke at the amp output
as opposed right at the transceiver?
73,
Larry K4AB
On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 10:45 PM Tim Duffy <k3lr@k3lr.com> wrote:
Hello Alex,
I can tell you that this test opened my eyes to how noise is propagated to
our radio receivers. Like K9YC, W1HIS and many others I have embraced these
findings. There is a reason the noise floor here at K3LR is below S0 on all
bands. This is science - nothing more.
I have significant common mode impedance chokes at every antenna feedpoint
and at the connection to each amplifier (11) - so end to end on the
feedlines. The results speak for themselves.
This is not a wives tale. Do your own research and report your results.
73
Tim K3LR
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alex@kr1st.com
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 3:21 PM
To: Alan Higbie
Cc: Rfi List
Subject: Re: [RFI] Old wives tail, or true?
Let me challenge that test because I'm not convinced that the test is
valid.
I watched that video and it only shows the signals before and after the
choke has been applied, on the outside of the coax. The conclusion is
then drawn that all those signals make it into the receiver and causes
noise. Can someone explain why that would be a valid conclusion?
Shouldn't he be showing that those signals are indeed making it into the
receiver and then showing that the application of the choke indeed make
these signals disappear?
I mean, I can make such measurements on any cable attached to a receiver
and would probably be horrified by what I would see, but that doesn't
mean that those signals actually make it into the receiver and cause
noise.
Like someone else wrote, the best test is probably to apply the choke
and if it doesn't make a difference, ask for a refund from DXE. :)
This inquiring mind would like to know.
73,
--Alex KR1ST
On 2021-04-08 10:35, Alan Higbie wrote:
> In 2019 K3LR presented such a test at the Dayton Contest University.
>
> Tim describes it @ 15:30 into the presentation.
> Here is the YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd5B5qPHI_U
>
> The relevant slides are at pages 41050 of his Power Point presentation.
> CTU 2019 14-K3LR-Contest-Station-Optimization-PLUSROTATOR.pdf
>
> 73, Alan K0AV
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