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Re: [RFI] Radar Engineers Model 251 Parabolic dimensions?

To: Dave Cole <dave@nk7z.net>, rfi@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RFI] Radar Engineers Model 251 Parabolic dimensions?
From: "chuck.gooden" <chuck.gooden@comcast.net>
Date: Sat, 08 May 2021 08:31:25 -0500
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I found a parabolic metal dish at Lowes being sold as a squirrel deflectors for 
bird feeders.  See link 
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Black-Squirrel-Baffle/1000931908I have since seen 
plastic ones that are similar at other stores.Chuck K9LC
-------- Original message --------From: Dave Cole <dave@nk7z.net> Date: 5/8/21  
8:20 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: rfi@contesting.com Subject: Re: [RFI] Radar Engineers 
Model 251 Parabolic dimensions? You might check out this 
dish...https://www.midnightscience.com/ultra-kits.html73, and thanks,Dave 
(NK7Z)https://www.nk7z.netARRL Volunteer ExaminerARRL Technical Specialist, 
RFIARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical ResourcesOn 5/8/21 1:08 AM, 
Charlie Delta via RFI wrote:> Hi> Can someone who owns a Radar Engineers model 
250 or model 251 Ultrasonic RFI  receiver kindly tell me the dimensions of the 
dish?> I am particularly interesting in the dish depth and the focal distance 
point. I understand that dish is 18 inches in diameter.> The plan is to get a 
suitable parabolic dish molded  by a local Dome skylight maker who thinks  that 
he can mold a suitably accurate true parabolic dish.>   I am curious to know if 
the Radar engineers dish falls within the 0.5 to 0.6 F/D ratio? Since it works 
so well I thought I might as well start off with a set of dish dimensions that 
is proven to work around the 40khz Ultrasonic frequency.> Since the beam-width 
is so sharp , I presume that the dish dimensions and the illumination from the 
dish of the ultrasonic mic will be critical. I have already played around with 
the W1TRC detector and various odd ball dishes and the results have not been 
that great since these dishes  have a far from optimum F/D ratio.>  From 
playing around it seems that a deep dish with the focal point deep within the 
dish produces a very poor result and may even produce minor sidelobes that 
causes confusion. Depending on the  strength of the signal, an ultrasonic 
signal  can disappear because of the poor illumination of the microphone 
sensor.  So it does appear that an optimum f/d ratio dish would produce a 
better result.> Any input or comments would be welcome from anyone who has 
tried to build a similar project.> (pick your mould VS mold spelling)> 
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