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Re: [RFI] Solar panel RFI

Subject: Re: [RFI] Solar panel RFI
From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Reply-to: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 21:50:05 -0800
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Hi Dave,

I've studied ferrite chokes extensively since 2003, published landmark work on it as an AES Paper in 2005. There's a lot of work on my website about it, k9yc.com/publish.htm My first publication of that work in the ham world was in 2007.

Some things I showed is that resistance is more useful than inductance, and capacitance is GOOD because it allows us to put the resistance formed by the low Q resonance where we want it by winding the "right" number of turns.

#31 is a FAR superior material at HF because it has both dimensional and circuit resonances, which combine much as the old stagger-turned IFs to increase the useful bandwidth. #43 is a terrible material for HF, because of the broad manufacturing tolerances move that resonance around -- it's inherently higher Q because it's NiZn. #31 is a very special MnZn mix, which gives it the dimensional resonance, and the broader resonance reduces the problem with manufacturing tolerances when you want to build something in quantity or publish a set of designs, as I did four years ago. I spent three years on that HF choke project. My process is described in the Cookbook.

On my website, check out my Ham's Guide to RFI, which develops the resonance concept, as well as a lot of other stuff. And the HF Choke Cookbook, which includes those designs and tells the engineering project it took to develop them. And the VHF/UHF cookbook which describes designs like the one you are talked about here, except for coax and two-wire line. And when I've designed chokes for the AC line (to cool off noisy generators, for example), I wind three-wire jacketed cable or Romex through the cores. There one for HF in the Handbook, and on page 23 of http://k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf

And I sure agree with you about manufacturing screwing up a good design. In the short time I spent in mfg, it was the department whose job it was to build it cheaper. This was when we still manufactured in this country.

73, Jim K9YC

On 2/18/2022 3:19 PM, David Eckhardt wrote:
An effective common mode choke on the mains conductors should pass all three conductors through the core.  For a 2.4-inch OD core, three turns are usually good.  Too many more will increase the capacitive coupling. 31 material has an advantage at the lower frequencies where the older 43 material is a bit better at higher frequencies.  All referring to HF.

I have "solved" many an emissions problem usually around 40 to 70 MHz from SMPSs by simply installing a simple common mode choke on the mains lines (yes, all three lines:  hot, neutral, and "ground" - the green wire).  Once these products reach a contract manufacturer, the common mode choke adds nothing to performance and only adds cost, so it is removed.  Many times I ran into the reality that contract manufacturers are the EMC engineer's worst enemy.  They are supplsed to retest and re-qualify, but they don't.
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