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Re: [RTTY] Cheating

To: Mike K4GMH <k4gmh@arrl.net>, rtty contesting rttycontesting <rtty@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Cheating
From: Fabi va2up <va2up@live.ca>
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:32:17 -0400
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I don't think Don was talking about you, in fact I have often noticed the same 
behaviour from the offending station he was refering to in several contests. I 
see your so2r sigs in every contest and your timing is near perfect (I actually 
see your sigs since we often use the same bands at the same time and not many 
stations put in 40 db on 40M here...). Mistakes happen and I know that this has 
unintentionnally happened to me a couple of months ago when experiencing 
problems with N1MM that was logging erroneous serial numbers in the log and not 
locking out the second radio from tx. I talked about this with Rick N2AMG from 
the N1MM supporting staff but somehow the problem went away by 
itself,...mistery. I feel more relieved knowing that my TX lockout is now 100% 
functional and that I am logging the correct numbers.
IMHO from what I see in rtty contests I can't say that cheating is that bad. I 
guess the 'good' cheaters are too hard to spot. I appreciate Don's reaction, I 
think that this made us all think about what we did and how we did things in 
the past and maybe we will all be more carefull for the times to come. 
Sometimes or most times it all comes down to 'read the rules'...this would 
probably avoid more than 50% of mistakes that make us look like we're cheating.

73, Fabi  va2up

> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:01:47 -0400
> From: k4gmh@arrl.net
> To: rtty@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] Cheating
> Sent the following to Don a few minutes ago.
> "Hello Don,
> I'm probably the culprit.  No excuse but it wasn't intentional.
> Forgot to initiate the "RTTY Single Tx Lockout - Last one wins" Writelog
> feature until noticed the meters on both amps. were showing xmitting.  Once
> saw this, I realized what happened.  I don't think any simultaneous QSOs
> were made to my knowledge, only working a station on one band while CQ on
> the other (still a "Rules" violation).  Out of town family commitments and
> then having my grandson's soccer team holding their end of season party at
> the QTH on Sunday didn't allow much time to get everything set-up and
> tested.  Then only had a few hours of in and out shack time.  The desire to
> put some time in the Contest over took double checking the S/W set-up.
> Regarding the spotting, Don, on the wrong band, again, this could have been
> associated as well with the problem of the "RTTY Single Tx Lockout - Last
> one wins" not being checked.   Normally, just calling up the "Edit Packet
> Spot" (Cntrl T in Writelog) will have entered the last call worked on the
> keyboard entry band for sending to the Cluster.  Again, noticed this wasn't
> the case after posting several "wrong" frequencies for stations heard in the
> Contest.  However, noticed this occurring even after the "RTTY Single Tx
> Lockout - Last one wins" was checked.  Used the ANARTS Writelog module as
> didn't realize a DLDC WL module had been published due to being on travel
> without Internet the preceding week.  I'll see what happens with the DLDC
> module.
> Again I apologize for the errors.  I'll chalk this up with my having
> erroneously operated 11 hours in a 10 hour contest and the several times
> started a contest too soon."
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@subich.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sometimes it's appropriate to call a thing for what it is.
> >
> > You can't expect to discriminate against one group of single
> > operators simply because you don't like their choice of technique.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> >    ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> > On 6/15/2010 12:10 PM, Bill, W6WRT wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:06:43 -0400, "Joe Subich, W4TV"
> > > <lists@subich.com>  wrote:
> > >
> > >> you are a bigot.
> > >
> > > REPLY:
> > >
> > > Oldest rule of the Internet:  When the name calling begins, the
> > > argument has been lost.
> > >
> > > 73, Bill W6WRT
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>   73,
>   Mike, K4GMH
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