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Re: [RTTY] 75 Baud

To: "Jim W7RY" <jimw7ry@gmail.com>, <RTTY@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 75 Baud
From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@citlink.net>
Reply-to: Robert Chudek - K0RC <k0rc@citlink.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:04:38 -0500
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You bet I have listened. Actually I'm probably one of the stations operating in 
the mix. CW is my favorite mode. That said, there are no speed regulations on 
CW. If you want to operate at 15 wpm or 25 wpm or 35 wpm, people learn to 
recognize the different speeds and adjust to them.

The early lesson from 75 Baud RTTY is when the bands deteriorate, slower is 
better. But when band conditions are great, higher speeds allows a lot more 
qso's per hour.

Why do you resist the concept of using different digital speeds? This doesn't 
even seem to be an issue with the PSK crowd.

73 de Bob - KØRC in MN


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim W7RY 
  To: Robert Chudek - K0RC 
  Cc: RTTY@contesting.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [RTTY] 75 Baud


  Then how do you explain the popularity of CW Bob? Have you ever listened to 
the CW portion of the band during a contest weekend? 


   Why hasn't EVERYONE moved to some fancy new digital mode instead of CW?  


  73
  Jim W7RY





  On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Robert Chudek - K0RC <k0rc@citlink.net> 
wrote:

    Let's remove the clutter and simplify the original statement to:

    "<Item of choice>" is like putting Lime in Beer. Interesting, but not
    needed. Beer is fine the way it is.

    Now choose your "item of choice" to insert in the above statement:

    A second antenna
    Computer logging
    No-tune PA output
    Stacked yagis
    An RF Amplifier
    A better radio
    An electronic keyer
    Some DSP filters
    High quality coax
    A Solid State Amplifier
    A better QTH
    (Add your favorites here)

    Does this statement really make any sense to you?

    Technology would not evolve if everyone believed "X" is fine the way it is.
    For example, AM evolved into SSB. Do you remember the ruckus during this
    technology transition period? What voice mode do you use on your radios
    today? Apparently the beer wasn't fine the way it was. Just remember this
    catch phrase... "Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated." Technology
    will move steadily forward, whether you think it is "fine" or not.

    Maybe you can take some comfort in knowing the majority of previous amateur
    "modes" remain in use today (excluding spark). SSB replaced AM, but there's
    still an AM position on your radio. PSK has become the most popular digital
    mode, but RTTY remains the king of contesting. If 75 Baudot or ASCII RTTY
    provides an overall improvement to the contest experience and scores, it
    will be added to the arsenal of other innovations that have been adopted
    over the years.

    73 de Bob - KØRC in MN


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "W5CPT" <w5cpt@bellsouth.net>
    To: "Vladimir Sidorov" <vs.lists@gmail.com>; <RTTY@contesting.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 10:36 PM
    Subject: Re: [RTTY] 75 Baud


    > 75 Baud RTTY is like putting Lime in Beer. Interesting, but not needed.
    > Beer (like 45 Baud RTTY) is fine the way it is.
    >
    > Clint - W5CPT
    >
    >
    >  ----- Original Message -----
    >  From: Vladimir Sidorov
    >  To: RTTY@contesting.com
    >  Sent: 16 June, 2010 5:41 PM
    >  Subject: [RTTY] 75 Baud
    >
    >
    >  Gents,
    >
    >  Please be more careful with what we already have by now, i.e the 45 Baud
    >  RTTY. This mode is very well established and popular. Moreover, it sits
    >  firmly in some radios' hardware. Now that there are more and more talks
    >  about the magic 75 Baud one, we have already seen a semi-DX-pedition
    >  declaring 75 Baud RTTY "to work them all faster", then a new full-size 75
    >  Baud Sprint and finally a recent invitation to play 75 Baud in the Field
    >  Day. What's next? It might be another message which we have already seen
    >  here in the list, like if the RTTY (OK, the 75 Baud one) performance is
    > like
    >  this, then "why bother"? And back to FD, I just recall somebody's report
    > of
    >  RTTY introduction to newbies during the FD using a Pro3 without a PC. Now
    > if
    >  the Pro3 cannot catch RTTY by its own built-in RTTY decoder, then again,
    > why
    >  bother? The newbies may simply turn into bye-byes.
    >  I for one bought a Pro3 to have an instant RTTY machine to catch RTTY DX
    >  quickest possible, without spending time for PC boot, etc. It the 75 Baud
    >  development is pushed so hard, the Pro3 will turn just into a dust
    >  collector.
    >
    >  As for the 45 Baud RTTY in contesting, its slower speed just brings up
    >  another great operator's challenge, how to handle both the slow speed and
    >  the extensive pile-up in the same time...
    >
    >  Experiments with 75 Baud are fine, but not for an account of the
    > mainstream
    >  45 Baud RTTY, please.
    >
    >  Sorry, just could not resist.
    >
    >  73,
    >  Vladimir VE3IAE
    >
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