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Re: [RTTY] AFSK to FSK converter

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Subject: Re: [RTTY] AFSK to FSK converter
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:58:07 -0400
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On 9/16/2012 3:57 PM, Kok Chen wrote:>
> On Sep 16, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Bill, W6WRT wrote:
>
Can anyone recommend an AFSK to FSK converter, either kit or
assembled?

Why bother with an AFSK to FSK converter?  There are many good -
and some inexpensive - FSK solutions out there if one bothers to
look.

1) The Edgeport series of USB to serial converters will do 45.45,
   75, and 110 baud 5-bit code suitable for driving *any* rig
   with FSK capability.  They are still available for $29.95 in
   2 port versions and careful watching will yield 4 or 8 port
   versions for well under $100.

2) PCI and PCIe cards in 2s/1p and 4s versions are available for
   less than $50 if you have a computer with an open slot.

3) microHAM's DigiKeyer II and microKEYER II provide a UART
   compatible FSK port that supports 45, 75 and 110 baud in
   addition to rig control and USB based sound cards.  The
   micro2R and MK2R+ provide two FSK ports for SO2R operation.

(I have no idea what the rise and fall times of the tone detector in
the USB Interface III is like and if it works well enough at 75 or
110 baud. W4TV probably has measured data.

I don't ... but it seems to work well at 75 baud which is all I've
used.  The tone detector uses an envelope detector with a very short
time constant.  The biggest source of any delay will be transition
time in the opto-isolator.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 9/16/2012 3:57 PM, Kok Chen wrote:

On Sep 16, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Bill, W6WRT wrote:

Can anyone recommend an AFSK to FSK converter, either kit or assembled?

1) write to K4DSP directly to ask for a programmed Atmel controller if you 
don't have a way to program an AVR chip.  I'll bet that if you beg hard enough, 
Doug has a PC board squirreled away somewhere, or he might be willing to part 
with the CAD drawings so you can fab your own board.

2) build a simple AFSK demodulator using an Exar XR-2211 chip (DigiKey.com has 
it for $2.64) to convert AFSK from the computer into FSK keying signal.

http://www.exar.com/common/content/productdetails.aspx?id=XR2211

Feed AFSK from a sound card output from the computer into the 2211's audio 
input and drive an open collector transistor with the Exar's FSK demodulator 
output.  Use the carrier detect output from the chip to key the PTT with a 
second open collector transistor.  Use optoisolators if you need galvanic 
isolation.

3) use the MicroHAM USB Interface III's p-FSK mode.  To do this you need to 
turn off one of the transmit tones (either keep Mark or Space off) since the 
Interface III does not have any selectivity (like the K4DSP circuit or the 
XR-2211 chip).

Both fldigi and cocoaModem support this single tone on-off transmit keying mode 
(also supported by the MicroHAM digiKeyer II), and other software modem 
probably can too, since it is such an obvious thing to implement, I just don't 
know enough about Windows programs to know for sure.  The USB Interface III 
supports serial port PTT.

4) wait long enough and perhaps Tigertronics will wise up and include the Exar 
chip into the SignaLink USB .

There are probably a couple of hundred FSK ops who will buy that at the drop of 
a pin; of course, there are ten times more AFSK ops, so that is probably what 
drives Tigertronics' business :-).

That is not to say that you cannot modify an existing SignaLink USB yourself to 
create a self contained (including the sound card) USB-to-FSK solution. There 
is a SOIC version of the XR-2211, and that can probably be squeezed into the 
SignaLink USB enclosure.

(I have no idea what the rise and fall times of the tone detector in the USB 
Interface III is like and if it works well enough at 75 or 110 baud.  W4TV 
probably has measured data.  The K4DSP and Exar circuits should be OK since 
they make use of both Mark and Space tones to threshold the output.)

73
Chen, W7AY

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