RTTY
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [RTTY] Greater than 600 watts for RTTY

To: RTTY Reflector <rtty@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Greater than 600 watts for RTTY
From: Kok Chen <rtty@w7ay.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:15:10 -0700
List-post: <rtty@contesting.com">mailto:rtty@contesting.com>
When all else is constant, a 10 dB gain (100 watts to 1 kW) can make a marginal 
signal turn into a perfectly printable signal when conditions are perfect (no 
fading, no selective fading, no Doppler spreading).

Take a look at the curves at Alex' web site:

http://www.dxatlas.com/rttycompare/

Notice in the AWGN curve that a perfect/good demodulator requires a SNR of 
about -12 dB (in 3 kHz noise bandwidth) to achieve 30% character error rate, 
and improving the SNR to -8.5 dB achieves an error rate of 3%.

So, if you are sitting right at the edge of being copyable, just a 3.5 dB 
increase in power (a little bit more than double) can make the difference 
between a garbled copy to a decent copy.

If the other side is using a less good demodulator, you would need to bump your 
power by another 3 dB; so lets hope DXpeditions use good demodulators.  

When propagation becomes poorer (scroll down to the Selective Fading curve at 
VE3NEA's page), the difference between good copy and poor copy becomes larger 
-- the better demodulators need something like 8 dB more transmit power, while 
the poorer demodulators require upwards of 10 dB extra transmit power to 
overcome propagation effects.  You need a bigger bump in power to go from 
marginal copy to good copy when conditions degrade..

That said, when the other side is on an unpopulated island, they can start with 
more than 10 dB SNR advantage; that is why they can copy you fine when you can 
barely copy them (if no one is QRM'ing you).   See the ITU-R PI.372-6 man-made 
noise chart at the end of this web page:

http://educypedia.karadimov.info/library/rsgb.pdf

Notice that "Residential" noise is more than 10 dB louder than the average 
atmospheric noise at 14 MHz, while "Quiet Rural" man made noise is dominated by 
the atmospheric noise. The advantage of a rural location is less on the lower 
bands because atmospheric noise is much higher at the lower frequencies.  The 
advantage of having lower noise floor on an uninhabitable island is not as 
great on 40m and 80m. 

Because of the lower atmospheric noise at high HF frequencies, the difference 
between rural and residential is very large on 15m and 10m.  At 20 MHz, the 
average atmospheric noise is lower than man-made noise in rural areas, so you 
end up with a whopping 20 dB improved SNR when you are away from population.   

If you can barely copy a DXpedition to an isolated island on 15m and 10m, they 
should have 100% copy on you, even if you run 20 dB less power than they do 
(e.g., they run 1 kW, you run 10 watts).

By concentrating the antenna lobe to near 0 degree elevation, a vertical over 
salt water that they often use also gives them better  SNR.  

As long as you can print a DXpedition on a remote island, the reason you need 
power to work them IMHO has more to do with being drowned out by the FSK 
keyclicks in the pile, rather than from not using high power.   Stay a full kHz 
or two away from loud stations that run FSK, and you should get through more 
easily.  A panadapter will show you who is running FSK and who is running 
waveshaped AFSK.

73
Chen, W7AY

_______________________________________________
RTTY mailing list
RTTY@contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rtty

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>