Those of you who lump "Orion owners" into a generic group ALL wanting their
own reflector is simply not accurate and a slap to the face of some of us. I
DO NOT and have NEVER asked for anything separate for the Orion...so your
theory is already dead meat. I did not subscribe to Yahoo because of all of
the reasons stated and was personally very happy to read the Ten Tec
reflector here each day, picking out what I was interested in from my
digest.
So the comment about "what is it with Orion owners" is ridiculous and
offensive...and lumping everyone who owns an Orion into that statment is
very unfair and needs to be retracted. I will join the contesting.com group
simply to keep up on Orion postings if that is what I have to do, HOWEVER, I
personally think it is a mistake to splinter off another group and I would
rather keep ALL of the Orion information centrally located on this
reflector, where it belongs.
The actions of a few who want their own group (whatever their personal
agenda) should NOT be automatically attached to the Orion owners group as a
whole.
This whole scenario reminds me of all of the splits I have seen over the
years in the Churches AND the radio clubs. There always will be a few who
have little personal agendas that usually have a big negative effect on
everyone else. Ridiculous. Tommy WD4K
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1. RE: $%&*#@* ! ! ! Re: [TenTec] contesting.com now has an Orion
list (John L Merrill)
2. Re: $%&*#@* ! ! ! Re: [TenTec] contesting.com now has an
Orion list (Mike Manship)
3. Re: FW: Orion archives (Jim Lowman)
4. Re: $%&*#@* ! ! ! Re: [TenTec] contesting.com now has an Orion
list (Jim Miller)
5. Re: FW: Orion archives (Jim Reid)
6. Re: $%&*#@* ! ! ! Re: [TenTec] contesting.com now has an Orion
list (J. D.)
7. Re: Hercules II demise? (Mark Erbaugh)
8. 2003 pictures from hamfest (Ken Kirkley)
9. RE: groups
10. Re: YAYTTG - Yet Another Yahoo! TenTec Group!!! (Ron Kolarik)
11. Re: YAYTTG - Yet Another Yahoo! TenTec Group!!! (Ron Kolarik)
12. Re: Jupiter - No Transmit Power on 15 and 17 Meters (Bill Fulling)
13. Yahoo Orion Group messages are now public (Barry N1EU)
14. Orion was ( [TenTec] Hercules III / Mark Erbaugh) (James Duffer)
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:55:54 -0400
From: "John L Merrill" <jmerrill1@adelphia.net>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: RE: $%&*#@* ! ! ! Re: [TenTec] contesting.com now has an Orion
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Amen.
John N1JM
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[mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Paul Valko - W8KC
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:52 PM
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: $%&*#@* ! ! ! Re: [TenTec] contesting.com now has an Orion list
I sent the contesting.com list admin a strongly worded statement for
allowing a Ten*Tec subgroup on contesting.com.
Unfortunately, it's too late to stop this action, but let's hope they do not
allow more balkanization of the Ten-Tec reflector on contesting.com.
Just what is it with the Orion owners? They own what is arguably the finest
radio in the world and it just seems they don't want to be part of this
"family." I hope to own one eventually too, but I'll be damned if I will
subscribe to yet-another-reflector just to hear about that radio. This list
is just fine and has been for many years. This is a sad day for all Ten Tec
fans.
You know, it's interesting that a HUGE manufacturer like Yaesu can get by
with just one reflector, but Orion owners insist on having their own.
Very sad indeed.
=paul= W8KC
Collector of Ten*Tecs and other fine plastics.
Visit the Virtual Ten*Tec Museum at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/w8kc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Scace K3NA" <eric@k3na.org>
To: "TenTec mailing list" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:48 PM
Subject: [TenTec] contesting.com now has an Orion list
> Based on the earlier discussion, it seems apparent that more than a few
people would like a separate e-mail list devoted to the
> Orion transceiver.
>
> It also seems apparent that more than a few people prefer such a list
NOT to be on Yahoo.
>
> W4AN has graciously agreed to host an Orion e-mail list on
contesting.com, the same place which hosts the TenTec list. And,
> since I feel responsible for originally creating such a mess by grumping
publicly about the Yahoo privacy policy, I volunteered to
> handle the administrative chores for this Orion list.
>
> Click on over to http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/orion to
subscribe.
>
> 73,
> -- Eric K3NA
>
>
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:03:00 -0500
From: Mike Manship <w9oj@peoplepc.com>
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: $%&*#@* ! ! ! Re: [TenTec] contesting.com now has an
Orion list
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At 08:52 PM 10/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>You know, it's interesting that a HUGE manufacturer like Yaesu can get by
>with just one reflector, but Orion owners insist on having their own.
An FT-1000MP reflector has existed for years (and not on Yahoo).
W9OJ
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:01:57 -0700
From: Jim Lowman <jmlowman@sbcglobal.net>
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TenTec] FW: Orion archives
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Strange, Jim...
I don't know what software the YahooGroups use, but the software for the
lists at both
contesting.com and qth.net give all privileges to the listadmin; even
the ancient Majordomo
did that...
73 de Jim - AD6CW
Jim Reid wrote:
>
>
>
>>On the face of it the following group appears to be Restricted
>>membership but Public archives.
>>
>>http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/RADIOSHACKDX394
>>
>>
>
>Yes, it is public. However, try as I might, I cannot get the
>archive of the TenTec_Orion Yahoo group to be open! There
>are some things about the list which the original "owner" set
>up that I cannot now change -- that's just the way Yahoo has
>things set up.
>
>Anyway, I have, as of a few moments ago, reactivated
>this group. Why, so that Joe, N4ARI, can join, if he wants to;
>then I can transfer the "ownership"/moderating job to him.
>
>For now, I will also leave it activated. Anyone can now join,
>if you have a license or other genuine interest in the Orion,
>to gain access to the archives. I have also opened the ability
>to post messages again, but not sure I should have, hi.
>
>Now to see what happens, hi.
>
>73, Jim KH7M
>
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:09:17 -0400
From: Jim Miller <k4sqr@juno.com>
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: $%&*#@* ! ! ! Re: [TenTec] contesting.com now has an Orion
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I concur with Paul & John's comments.
With Orion owners not wishing to stay on the Ten-Tec reflector, tips,
mods, etc. will take longer for comments in general to be made to the
Ten-Tec group.
Too bad.
de K4SQR
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:55:54 -0400 "John L Merrill"
<jmerrill1@adelphia.net> writes:
> Amen.
>
> John N1JM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Paul Valko -
> W8KC
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:52 PM
> To: tentec@contesting.com
> Subject: $%&*#@* ! ! ! Re: [TenTec] contesting.com now has an Orion
> list
>
>
> I sent the contesting.com list admin a strongly worded statement
> for
> allowing a Ten*Tec subgroup on contesting.com.
>
> Unfortunately, it's too late to stop this action, but let's hope
> they do not
> allow more balkanization of the Ten-Tec reflector on
> contesting.com.
>
> Just what is it with the Orion owners? They own what is arguably
> the finest
> radio in the world and it just seems they don't want to be part of
> this
> "family." I hope to own one eventually too, but I'll be damned if I
> will
> subscribe to yet-another-reflector just to hear about that radio.
> This list
> is just fine and has been for many years. This is a sad day for all
> Ten Tec
> fans.
>
> You know, it's interesting that a HUGE manufacturer like Yaesu can
> get by
> with just one reflector, but Orion owners insist on having their
> own.
>
> Very sad indeed.
>
> =paul= W8KC
> Collector of Ten*Tecs and other fine plastics.
> Visit the Virtual Ten*Tec Museum at
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/w8kc
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Scace K3NA" <eric@k3na.org>
> To: "TenTec mailing list" <tentec@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:48 PM
> Subject: [TenTec] contesting.com now has an Orion list
>
>
> > Based on the earlier discussion, it seems apparent that more
> than a few
> people would like a separate e-mail list devoted to the
> > Orion transceiver.
> >
> > It also seems apparent that more than a few people prefer such
> a list
> NOT to be on Yahoo.
> >
> > W4AN has graciously agreed to host an Orion e-mail list on
> contesting.com, the same place which hosts the TenTec list. And,
> > since I feel responsible for originally creating such a mess by
> grumping
> publicly about the Yahoo privacy policy, I volunteered to
> > handle the administrative chores for this Orion list.
> >
> > Click on over to
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/orion to
> subscribe.
> >
> > 73,
> > -- Eric K3NA
> >
> >
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> > TenTec@contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/tentec
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:32:44 -1000
From: "Jim Reid" <jimr.reid@verizon.net>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] FW: Orion archives
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> Strange, Jim...
>
> I don't know what software the YahooGroups use, but
> the software for the lists at both contesting.com and
> qth.net give all privileges to the listadmin; even
> the ancient Majordomo did that...
Except, I did not originate the group; the originator
made some selection which I CANNOT change.
Anyway, as soon as the archives are dealt with,
I will be deleting the entire thing! Have not heard yet
from John, W3GQJ, who has been converting the
archives to .pdf format. However, his most recent work
is only up to February of 2003. He has quite a ways
to go, having converted the first 200 or so list postings,
with some 900+ to go!!
73, Jim KH7M
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:31:18 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time)
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There are lists for just about every radio on Yahoo. Multiple lists for
Icom, Yaesu, Kenwood, Patcomm, SGC, TenTec, etc. There is no "one" list =
for
any manufacturer. Most specialized groups have hundreds, sometimes,
thousands of members. =0D
=0D
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Isn't there a group somewhere that discusses what type of grease to use in
Corsair PTOs?
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From: "Mark Erbaugh" <mark@microenh.com>
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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Hercules II demise?
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Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding.
Mark
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> At 05:24 PM 10/06/2003, Mark wrote:
> >I believe one of the problems were that the final transistors were either
> >hard or impossible to find replacements for.
>
> You're thinking of the Hercules I. The Herc II had four of the standard
> TT amp boards with power dividers/adders and runs at 13.8 volts.
>
> Reason for demise of Herc II was low sales....not enough to enable
> future production runs.... or so I was told.
>
> I'd sure like to see a Herc III that was twice the power of the II.... for
> sure.
>
> Perry w8au
>
>
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:04:24 -0400
From: "Ken Kirkley" <no4d@charter.net>
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For those who were not able to attend this year's hamfest at TenTec, I =
have placed some pictures on my web page. Feel free to browse them. The =
address is http://webpages.charter.net/kgk=20
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TT'ers,
I blew something in my 238 while CQ'ing on 10 with high power. Antenna was
my F12 C3 low in the band where it is over 2:1, but not much over.
Didn't smell any smoke. It still works, but doesn't have the matching
range it used to. For instance, it would no longer tune an 80 meter dipole
cut for CW in the phone band. I have been qrt since last spring and don't
remember more specifics than that.
Any suggestions what to look at first (and second, third, etc.) Can't see
anything burned up.
73,
Ron - WA9IRV
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Good idea, Phil, but I'm still looking for the group for discussing other
groups... oh wait, this *is* that group.
Al W6LX
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil [mailto:pcuellar@bright.net]
> Sent: Monday, 06 October 2003 7:07 PM
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> Subject: [TenTec] groups
>
>
> Isn't there a group somewhere that discusses what type of
> grease to use in
> Corsair PTOs?
>
> 73 de KI8JQ
>
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:20:23 -0500
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Message: 10
What happened to the TT Red Dot group??? I need the correct shade for my
Paragon.
Ron K0IDT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Valko - W8KC" <w8kc@comcast.net>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 7:19 PM
Subject: [TenTec] YAYTTG - Yet Another Yahoo! TenTec Group!!!
> While you're busy subscribing to all the various Ten-Tec sub-groups, don't
> forget the one for the Model 239 Dummy Load!
>
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:21:51 -0500
From: "Ron Kolarik" <rkolarik@neb.rr.com>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] YAYTTG - Yet Another Yahoo! TenTec Group!!!
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Message: 11
Sorry everyone....that was meant for Paul only.
Ron K0IDT
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 07:40:21 -0400
From: "Bill Fulling" <w4njf@email.midflorida.com>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Jupiter - No Transmit Power on 15 and 17 Meters
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Hi Gary,Glad to be of some help.Just remember,don't use a lot of heat on
these little relays when resoldering them in.
This may be part of the problem;I suppose in a jam(like during a
contest),you could "borrow" a good relay from a band that you don't use to
keep you on the air.
Best 73 de Bill W4NJF
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Jacek" <Gary.Jacek@telus.net>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>; <w4nif@email.midflorida.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Jupiter - No Transmit Power on 15 and 17 Meters
> Bill
>
> Thanks for the advice.
>
> You are absolutely right, one of these relays had an open coil.
>
> Rick VE7ASR and I opened up the Jupiter and located the
> defective
> relay this afternoon. I'll be calling TenTec on Monday to order
> the part, plus a spare of course.
>
> I imagine Rick will be documenting the repair on his web site.
> http://www3.telus.net/ve7asr/
> If you visit, be sure to bring a treat for Brandy.
>
> 73 de Gary
> VE7GGJ
>
>
> Bill Fulling wrote:
> >
> > Hi Gary,
> > Have a Jupr myself and ran into the same problem abt 3 mos ago-Check the
> > resistance of the windings of the BP filter relays,both windings are in
> > parell and shoud read abt
> > 120 ohms per band-if either the input or output relay is bad,you will
get
> > reading of 410 ohms.Be advised this is per band.Of course if both coils
are
> > are bad you will see infinity-once again this per band.
> > Don't know why the coils in these relays fail like this,but I orderewd
> > two(one for an emergecy spare).They cost $3.50 apiece +$3.00 s/h from
> > T/T>These realys are on the81863 board and the part # in the book is
> > H500F12-1-C.They are easily replaceable,but why T/T uses such crappy
cheap
> > parts in such a critical application is a mystery to me.Good Luck es 73
de
> > W4NJF
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> --
> Do you bank? Do you use ATMs? Then you've used IMS.
> Nothing has ever compared to the reliability and speed of IMS.
>
> http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/journal/sj/374/blackman.html
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:54:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Barry N1EU <n1eu@yahoo.com>
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: [TenTec] Yahoo Orion Group messages are now public
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It looks like anyone can read messages on the new
Yahoo Orion group - you don't have to join.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orion565/messages
73,
Barry N1EU
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:03:23 -0500
From: "James Duffer" <dufferjames@hotmail.com>
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Orion was ( [TenTec] Hercules III / Mark Erbaugh)
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>From: KD7EFQ@aol.com
I'd also like to see a
>color display on the Orion to bite into the IC-756 ProII sales, as that is
>the biggest complant I have heard from many people is why did TT use a
>monochrome display, when Icom did it for $1000 less cost of the radio. I'd
>still buy
>the Orion before the Pro II as it is a much better performer. However,
>features
>are a very important factor to lots of people out there.
A "feature," I don't know if I would be so generous. I would suspect adding
a color display would increase the cost to of the Orion. I am not sure that
the fact the Pro II selling at a $1K less with the color display means that
the color display did not increase the cost of the Pro II. Maybe, if it had
of used a monochrome display it would of been reduced further in price.
A color display does not provide enhancement to many operators, especially
those that are blind, or color blind. Possibly an option that would offset
the additional costs would be the way to go.
73, Jim, de wd4air
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