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[TenTec] cw testing / return policy

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Subject: [TenTec] cw testing / return policy
From: "Rob Atkinson, K5UJ" <k5uj@hotmail.com>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 02:01:46 +0000
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<<<It will make a difference for those who do operate CW, because there are
no CW exclusive sub-bands. >>>

Unless I missed something there are vast expanses of non-phone freqencies for hams on HF. but cw can be operated anywhere, even in the phone subbands! you are complaining? Further, there are completely unoccupied backwaters where it is possible to operate cw almost in secret. the slice between 3725 and 3750 is one of them.

Someone responded to my cw post with a message that is no longer in the archive so I am unable to quote it. working from memory, the author basically said that cw use will die off if there is no testing for it.


Firstly, is this how we want to sustain cw, artifically, by forcing people to learn it in order to get a ham ticket? This reminds me of all the fanatical environmentalists trying to shut down the logging industry, so some little wildflower plant won't become extinct. Folks, the natural progression of life is that new things eventually replace old ones. I don't like it all the time but i accept it. There are times when i wish we never had TV or the internet. I hate to see new housing developments. But changes are what drive life, industry, sustains economies, and even hobbies, and adaptations must take place. This is why the postal service does not have horse riding on their employment exams, even if a few carriers somewhere may ride horses--the Pony Express is history.

Secondly, if we think about ham radio in 100 or 200 years, does anyone seriously think there will be cw testing for licenses (i know there may not even be radio at that point, but work with me on this)? Maybe there will be cw operating, (I personally doubt it) but testing? Please, save the wild CW FOREVER knee jerk stuff and actually do some thinking about this.

So, if you want to keep the test now, when will you let it go? 10 years from now? 50? I'd like for those of you who want to retain the testing to think about why you can't let it
               go.

BTW, I'm not necessarily married to a complete abandonment of cw testing at this point--retaining it for the extra exam for example might be a good idea.


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Okay, so it has been revealed that Ten Tec alledgedly avoids selling to certain "problem" customers and it seems that this is to supposedly skew opinion to the positive.

One problem with this is that anyone who wants a ten tec product and runs into a refusal to sell, could easily get around that by either getting the product from someone used, or arranging with another ham to make the purchase as a shill.

There's no law that says Ten Tec has to sell to anyone. That's a canard. There are lots of businesses that sell only to certain classes of customers. Plumbing suppliers that only sell to pros for one. The reason is that amateurs, people doing their own plumbing, are a pain in the drain to deal with. They don't know anything. they ask too many questions. They use a product incorrectly, then go back and whine and demand a refund because they lack the knowledge to know what to purchase for a particular job. I bet if I called up Harris and said I wanted to buy a DX10, and I had the money, they'd find out I'm not a broadcaster or an employee of one, and refuse to sell. There are even businesses where it is unethical to sell to someone just because he has the money to pay. Rare violin dealers with 2 million dollar italian violins would not dream of selling one to some yahoo with the money following a lottery win. You have to be a top concert pro or established collector to get in the same room with one of those fiddles. Recently I read in the Wall St. Journal that Best Buy had begun cracking down on people who abuse the return policy they have. They began keeping a database of customers who went beyond a certain number of returns threshold and started declining to keep them as customers. All perfectly legal. In fact, I have a Kantronics KPC-2 TNC i'm about to sell, and I was just thinking last week that I will quiz prospects to find out how much experience they have with packet radio. The reason being I don't want to sell it to someone who doesn't know what he's doing because he probably will have trouble setting it up, bug me about it, and wind up returning it for a refund. I'd rather wait until i have a buyer who knows how to use it. Now, if I was convinced, that a certain customer wanted the KPC-2 for no other reason but to advance an agenda in which I get smeared on qth.com or something, you can bet I'd avoid selling it to him with no apologies. I do not know if that applies here or not, but there are usually two sides to these things, and I bet Ten Tec has one.

rob/k5uj

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