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Re: [RFI] [TenTec] Whirlpool Duet RFI

To: "Hare, Ed W1RFI" <w1rfi@arrl.org>,"Leigh L Klotz, Jr." <Leigh@WA5ZNU.org>,"Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>,"Don Rasmussen" <wb8yqj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] [TenTec] Whirlpool Duet RFI
From: "knesbitt" <knesbitt@nucleus.com>
Reply-to: knesbitt@nucleus.com
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:13:31 -0600
List-post: <mailto:rfi@contesting.com>
Is a washing machine with an electronic motor controller a digital device or
an appliance? If its defined under more general terms as a "appliance" would
there not be a better chance of having emission limits set forth in Part 15
apply?

VE6IV


-----Original Message-----
From: Hare, Ed W1RFI [mailto:w1rfi@arrl.org]
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:21 PM
To: Leigh L Klotz, Jr.; knesbitt@nucleus.com; Discussion of Ten-Tec
Equipment; Don Rasmussen
Cc: rfi@contesting.com
Subject: RE: [RFI] [TenTec] Whirlpool Duet RFI


Almost no digital equipment other than personal computers are going to
be certificated (FCC's word) or authorized under a Declaration of
Conformity.  Most digital equipment is "verified," meaning that it must
be tested by the manufacturer. Period.

There are some exemptions from specific emissions limits in the Part 15
rules for appliances.

That is moot, however, as there are almost no specific emissions limits
below 30 MHz for most digital equipment. The limits for digital
equipment are conducted.

The problem with all of that is that the limits are too high.  A "legal"
Part 15 device can create S9 noise locally. Under the rules, the
manufacturers are resposible for meeting the equipment authorization
rules and the operators the devices are responsible for not causing
harmful interference.

Mike Gruber of the ARRL Lab has been contacting some manufacturers about
some of these issues. The only way to resolve some of this with FCC
would be to try to get rules changes. That doesn't go very smoothly
right now, it seems.

Ed Hare, W1RFI
ARRL Laboratory Manager
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Newington, CT 06013
Tel: 860-594-0318
Internet: W1RFI@arrl.org
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: rfi-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 2:03 AM
> To: knesbitt@nucleus.com; Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment;
> Don Rasmussen
> Cc: rfi@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RFI] [TenTec] Whirlpool Duet RFI
>
> Ken,
> This is great news on your Industry Canada front.  You can
> look ip FCC acceptance on the FCC web site.  I looked up
> Whirlpool and sure enough, only their Microwave ovens had it.
>  The other appliances don't have to be certified.  That
> doesn't mean they are exempt from interference complaints,
> but it just means they don't have numbers or public test results.
> My personal opinion is that the manufacturers are exploiting
> a loophole and stretching it, and we need to do something about it.
>
> Leigh / WA5ZNU
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