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Re: [TenTec] ARRL FTdx9000 ETR

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] ARRL FTdx9000 ETR
From: Robert & Linda McGraw K4TAX <RMcGraw@Blomand.Net>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:38:31 -0600
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Two points.

Point one: As to CW performance and FCC Docket No. 05-235, 7/19/05, it does not appear that it will prohibit the use of CW on any ham band. From my viewpoint, CW will exist on the ham bands until the sun ceases to rise in the east.

Point two: Hams typically make their choices on what someone else said. And we know that what someone else said is as likely to be just as much incorrect as it is correct correct. Statistically, the incorrect answers will always be vastly larger than correct answers. In reality, referencing the bands, the modes and such where I listen and chat on HF, I find that a large majority of hams today have more incorrect information than correct information. Same goes for another segment of the US population in retail business.

Yes, ICOM has developed the 7800 from a platform dedicated to another service. I also hear that the other service which ICOM developed the radio for, has declined to purchase a large number of the units thus they did not recoup the development costs from commercial ventures.

If one considers the ham market a very small market, I view the contest market demands for a good performing <3 KHz IMD somewhat microscopic by comparison.

I've yet to get my hands and test equipment on a FTdx9000. However, I did get my hands on a IC-7800 for a period of time. Conclusion: it is a good radio. But, it is not a great radio by any means. There's several others on the market today, and at much less price, that will run circles around the IC-7800 receiver performance.


73
Bob, K4TAX

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rippey" <jrippey@3n.net>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:40 AM
Subject: [TenTec] ARRL FTdx9000 ETR




". . . 'technical innovation' has certainly bloated the price of Icom
and Yaesu's
$10,000 flagships, but their upconversion main receiver designs
inherently
limits in-close cw reception performance. This ain't rocket science,
just a
real head scratcher why only Ten-Tec seems to get it.

Barry N1EU"

Hi, Barry et al:

At least from ICOM's point of view, it's not a head scratcher. The
IC-7800 is an amateur market derivative of a basic platform ICOM
developed to serve a number of different markets. The last time I
looked, ICOM is the only amateur transceiver manufacturer making a
profit--the bulk of its sales are outside amateur radio and I hear
its selling thousands of the IC-7800 clones. (Ten-Tec, being
privately held, does not release financial results. However, if T-T's
focus is on hams only, and CW performance first, as has been
suggested, then one would not want to bet the farm on its survival
(See FCC Docket No. 05-235, 7/19/05).

As to Yaesu, it has taken a big gamble with the FTdx9000 series due
both to the substantial development costs and the fact that this
radio does seem designed solely for the amateur market. Hard to
recoup a big investment with such a tiny market. I doubt that close-
in IMD numbers (<3 kHz) are going to be make or break with potential
customers, however.

In fact, I suspect very few hams make their choice of a transceiver
on this basis, especially since riding the RF gain is a proven way of
dealing with contest-like IMD conditions, and most transceivers will
respond well to this simple solution. In fact, as I understand it,
some folks still have the habit of turning off the AGC under
difficult conditions!

73,
John, W3ULS



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