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Re: [TenTec] Orion 1 & 2 "Talk Power" problem

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion 1 & 2 "Talk Power" problem
From: "Ron Castro" <ronc@sonic.net>
Reply-to: Ron Castro <ronc@sonic.net>, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 08:44:55 -0800
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By maintaining a higher average-to-peak ratio. In broadcasting, we call it "masking", and it has been used by AM broadcasters for years to cover up audio from co-channel stations that interfere with them in the fringe coverage areas. The first company to popularize that was CBS Labs with their famous Audimax and Volumax processors of the 1960's, which were advertised as being able to bring entire new communities into a station's coverage area, and it really did!

FM stations use heavy processing to cover up noise, especially with a stereo signal since the SN 'hit' a stereo signal has to take when decoding the L-R 38 kHz DSB subcarrier is on the order of 17 dB. That type processing became popular when engineers found out they could increase average modulation with a set of back-to-back diodes across the composite output of the stereo generator. A better, more sophisticated method gained popularity with the Modulation Sciences CP-803 Composite Clipper. Today, Telos-Omnia has taken the technology to the max with their Omnia 6ex processor. It has around 100 adjustable parameters that can be controlled locally or via an Internet connection, so I can sit in my car with a laptop and adjust the box in a normal listener environment.

Another poster said "I always work the cleanest clearest signal first...". If he can't hear the signal, he won't work it.

There seems to be a notion that intelligibility decreases when processing increases, and there is some truth to that when it's done poorly. But done right, you can create a "wall of sound" that busts through pile-ups. With SSB, more RF equals a bigger wall! That's why the Orion "talk power" problem is a real issue.

     Ron N6IE
www.N6IE.com
(Formerly N6AHA)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Gross" <barry.n1eu@gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion 1 & 2 "Talk Power" problem


Please indulge me - I want to understand the point.  How does one
create the QRM that keeps weaker stations from being heard, other than
having a strong signal (max ERP at optimal arrival angle, properly
compressed/equalized audio)?

73,
Barry N1EU

On 12/23/06, Ron Castro <ronc@sonic.net> wrote:
Simple...in keeps weaker stations from being heard under you.


> On 12/22/06, Ron Castro <ronc@sonic.net> wrote:
>> That may be true, but creating the QRM needed to get out in front is >> fair
>> play, even though on the surface, it may not sound that way.
>
> How does "creating QRM" help one "get out in front"?  (seriously, I
> don't get this and I've played in my share of pileups)
>
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