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Re: [TenTec] Orion II key click report

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion II key click report
From: Martin AA6E <aa6e@ewing.homedns.org>
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:22:02 -0500
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I have found that v2 firmware has poorer keyclick results than v1 on my Orion. It's not just a question of rise time, but the shaping (raised cosine) of the wave -- gradual transitions at start and finish of the key-up or key-down ramp. V2 seemed to have poorer shaping, especially when the power setting was < 100. This problem may carry over to the Orion II, and the situation may get worse when you're using an amp. I don't have a scope with delayed sweep - that's what I really need!

You can check my efforts at
http://blog.aa6e.net/2006/07/orion-keyclick-checks.html

My advice is to run with as long a rise time as you can, consistent with your keying speed.

73 Martin AA6E


William Q Meeker wrote:

I have been playing in the CQ WW 160 meter contest over the weekend. Last night another ham, about 20 miles away spotted me on the cluster with the comment "with clicks." I am using my Orion II (version 2.037j) and was running close to the legal power limit (Alpha 99) with a separate receiving antenna so that I do not have to exercise the A99's relays.

After that report came through I immediately checked the setting in the Orion II and it was at the recommended default of 5 ms, and because I have never had any other reports like this in the 5 months that I have had the Orion II, and I know that strong stations can overload a receiver to cause clicks, I just continued on.

This morning, after the band closed, I hooked up my monitor scope to have a look. The wave form looks good, but I have not figured out some kind of standard so that I can measure the exact rise/fall time. In looking at the archives of this list I saw an old posting that had measured the actual rise/fall times against the settings and found that the actual times were less. To be safe, for now I changed the Orion II to 7 ms.

A few questions:

1. Has anyone measured the rise/fall times in this version of the Orion 2? How accurate is the rise/fall time setting of the Orion II? And of course, as a statistician, I wonder if this is consistent over different units. If several people have done the measurements, we could sort this out.

2. If my rise/fall times are set a 5 ms, and the wave form shape has the right shape on my scope, could I still be creating objectionable clicks?

3. What other things should I do to check for the clicks?

4. In the Orion II manual (October 2006 version) on page 31 is says that "For external keying the rise fall times available are 3ms to 5ms regardless of the keyer speed." I can adjust between 3 and 10, so I suppose that this is a typo?

Bill
K0KT





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