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Re: [TenTec] TenTec Digest, Vol 83, Issue 9

To: Richards <jruing@ameritech.net>, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] TenTec Digest, Vol 83, Issue 9
From: jfriend31@comcast.net
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:43:23 +0000 (UTC)
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Amen! 

jack 

ak7o 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richards" <jruing@ameritech.net> 
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com> 
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 6:15:54 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [TenTec] TenTec Digest, Vol 83, Issue 9 

Bragging about your experience and credentials does give you greater 
credibility.   

Besides, you express a particularly egocentric point of view.  The world of ham 
radio is big enough to include guys who are not electronics engineers who can 
fix or build their gear from scratch.   For me, this is a diversion from my 
career, a hobby and something new to learn -- an "avocation" not "vocation."   
Moreover, your anger is showing.   It is inappropriate and unreasonable to 
demand we all have the same abilities and expertise.   Some of us are new at 
this - I suppose you were new and unschooled at one time, although you give the 
impression otherwise.   

You miss the point of the thread - These guys are not merely whining over a 
lack of new features...  TT represented there would be ongoing development, 
including new features and updated firmware to fix bugs and refine the product 
over time.   Moreover, TT made those representations intentionally to induce 
them to buy the rig, and they relied upon those representations when deciding 
to buy the rig, in the first place.   They are not really asking for more than 
what TT told them to expect.  They are merely disappointed TT had not delivered 
everything they said would be forthcoming.   

I presume the converse is also true.  Had TT not made such representations, 
these buyers would not expect TT to continually upgrade the rig or provide new 
features without cost, and would have expectations similar to what buyers of 
other products might have.  I, for one, purchased an Omni VII on the strength 
of similar representations - but must await development of a real time band 
scope TT said was under development and would be forthcoming.   Under the 
Uniform Commercial Code, for example, where a vendor fails to specify a time, a 
"reasonable" time is implied by law.  I won't participate in an debate over 
what is "reasonable" under the circumstances, but one might argue two or three 
years from date of purchase is a reasonable time to expect to realize the same. 
  

So, I do not think these guys are guilty of unreasonable impatience, or unduly 
demanding new features for free - they are only looking to realize what TT lead 
them to expect at the time they purchased the rig. 

But, that is just MY take....   

==========  K8JHR  ==================== 




> ------------Original Message------------ 
> From: <tlp1@vzavenue.net> 
> To: tentec@contesting.com 
> Date: Wed, Nov-11-2009 2:09 PM 
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] TenTec Digest, Vol 83, Issue 9 
> 
> Please turn off the stupid...PLEASE!!!!! 
> 
> A few things.... 
> 
> I'm damned fortunate to have gotten my electronics 
> experience, and more, from 30 plus years in aviation 
> electronics. Voice and data radio are a very small part of 
> aviation electronics in whole. To this day, I've never had 
> to depend on forums like this one, and some of the idiot 
> parades out there that pass themselves off as some kind of 
> half-witted tech forum/think tank. I've always been able to 
> set up my own station, and maintain it with zero assistance. 
> It's what makes the ham radio hobby fun, is to have the 
> technical challenges in front of you, and figure them out 
> yourself. Before getting involved in this hobby, I'd always 
> believed that design, and self sufficiency was one of the 
> cornerstones of ham radio. Who knows, maybe it was at the 
> beginning of the 20th century. It sure isn't that way now. 
> That is if you pay attention to the whiners here and other 
> places on the internet. 
> 
> I have the Orion II, and I'm very pleased with it. For you 
> hams that couldn't build your own gear if you're life 
> depended on it (and build something comparable in 
> performance and out of pocket expense as the Orion II), much 
> less, and I STRONGLY EMPHASIZE MUCH LESS, work on and modify 
> your own gear when it breaks, and to enhance its performance 
> from the component level, you don't understand how lucky you 
> are that commercial ham gear is available from a lot of 
> people. 
> 
> Be happy with what you have. If you don't like it, buy 
> something that will do the job for you, OR BUILD YOUR OWN!! 
> 
> When you can build something that performs like the the 
> Orion II, from scratch and talk to us on the air with it, 
> let me know, and let me know how much it cost you. 
> 
> KU5Q 
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