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Subject: Re: [TenTec] O3 wish list
From: Floyd Sense <floyd@k8ac.net>
Reply-to: floyd@k8ac.net, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:50:04 -0400
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I'm new to the Orion II, having owned it for just a month now.  Over the 
years, I've owned most of the better transceivers and have been using a 
panadaptor of one sort or another since the Icom 781.  I currently run 
the Orion II with N4PY software and PowerSDR/IF for the panadaptor 
function.  For a long time, I read Orion owners complain about needing a 
"high-speed panadaptor" and recall various promises from Ten Tec that 
there would be one some day.  After using the Orion II along with 
PowerSDR for the past month, I think the requirement for a real-time or 
high speed display is missing the point entirely.  The name of the game 
in panadaptors is RESOLUTION and the ability to twiddle sweep speed and 
AVERAGING parameters in such a way that best allows you to visually 
identify the weak signals you're looking for.

The marketplace if full of ill-conceived "spectrum scopes" that aren't 
in the same league with what's provided by PowerSDR.  Take for example 
the SM-5000 scope for the FTDX-5000.  This is a dreadful implementation 
that guys are buying right and left, and then complaining that they 
don't really see any value to a spectrum scope.

In regard to the Orion II, speeding up the sweep and making it "real 
time" is senseless unless vast improvements are made in resolution and 
the ability to fine-tune averaging.  The current concept of a display 
consisting of vertical bars makes no sense at all with today's 
technology.  Set your Orion sweep range to 4.5 or 9 KHz and think about 
just how useful the display is.  All you can tell is: yes - there are 
signals of some type there (or maybe it was a static crash).  For those 
who have never used a scope like the one provided by PowerSDR, download 
PowerSDR (free) and their demos and play around with the scope 
parameters.  You'll easily be able to identify discrete signals that are 
barely audible and you'll be able to see that some CW signals are wider 
than they should be, etc.  No comparison in value to the user.  The only 
scope implementation that gets everything right today is the Elecraft 
P3, but the K3 is not in the same league with the Orion II when it comes 
to usability.

I've also seen folks complain about the fact that the Orion II scope 
freezes when the tuning knob is turned.  Sounds silly?  Has anyone seen 
what some of the other implementations like PowerSDR do?  Depending on 
how you have the averaging parameters set, what you see as you tune is 
nothing of value at all.  Signals that were clearly visible are now gone 
or are just a low broad hump moving across the screen.  At least on the 
Orion you can see what was really there a few seconds ago.  What's 
really needed is a "fixed" mode as implemented in the P3 recently.  In 
that case, the trace remains in place with all signals visible while an 
indicator follows the tuning knob.  I understand that in some previous 
release of the firmware, the Orion had that feature but it's since been 
removed.

A separate scope accessory like the P3 for the Orion follow-on should be 
considered.  I place far more value on the scope than I do on having a 
second receiver that's the equal of the first.  For those who haven't 
implemented the PC approach to a scope using something like PowerSDR/IF, 
I can tell you that it's an extremely high-maintenance approach that 
won't withstand the test of time.  While the resulting display is 
exceptional, getting to that point and keeping everything running 
properly is a nightmare.  The number of software and hardware components 
is high and the dependence on certain operating system versions  adds to 
the difficulty.  Adding to the confusion is the fact that the components 
all come from different authors/manufacturers and it would be 
impractical for any one of them to test the combination that you might 
have.

Serious spectrum scope users will pay the price for a good 
implementation, so why not make a good scope in a separate box as an 
option?

73, Floyd - K8AC
Former owner of K3/P3, FTDX-5000 and now a happy Orion II owner





On 5/12/2011 10:37 AM, Rsoifer@aol.com wrote:
> I've had my O2 (fully loaded except for the antenna tuner) for 5+  years.
> With that experience in mind, I would like to see its successor  have a sub
> receiver identical to the main rx, data outputs to support
> externally-running software (e.g., Skimmer, etc.), and a selectable waterfall 
>  display.  I
> can do without 6-meter coverage if it would detract from  performance on the
> other bands -- I've already got a 1208 transverter.  I  want the radio to be
> fully stand-alone like the current O2, i.e., connecting to  a PC should be
> optional, not required.  As for a fast spectrum display, it  would be nice
> to have, but I wouldn't pay much to get it.  A PC does a  better job of that,
> anyway.  I'm not interested in open-source firmware; if  I were, I'd have
> bought a Flex.  IMHO, that's a different market  segment.  As for Elecraft,
> the K3 (K4?) is more of a direct competitor, but  I wouldn't try to have the
> O3 match its small size.  I'd leave  that to the Eagle 2, or Omni 8.  The O3
> should be the best-performing HF/MF  base station radio on the market, full
> stop.
>
> My $0.02 worth, anyway.
>
> 73 Ray W2RS
>

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