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Re: [TenTec] 566 v3.029 and 707 Regal mic

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] 566 v3.029 and 707 Regal mic
From: Rsoifer@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:20:38 -0500 (EST)
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In a message dated 12/1/2012 4:53:56 PM GMT Standard Time, 
jruing@ameritech.net writes:


> Subj:Re: [TenTec] 566 v3.029 and 707 Regal mic 
> Date:12/1/2012 4:53:56 PM GMT Standard Time
> From:jruing@ameritech.net
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> ____________________________________________
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> On 11/29/2012 12:46 PM, Rsoifer@aol.com wrote:
>     
>     > FYI, the output impedance of the 709A is
>     600 ohms, while that of the 707 is > 50k ohms.
>     The O2 specs call for >10k.
> > __________________________________________
> 
> Hmmm...  Not sure, but...
> 
> I don't think these impedance variations are material - at least not 
> enough to cause problems or to really explain what we are seeing in 
> differences in performance in this case.  Generally, modern audio gear 
> does not seem to care about impedance. RF does, but audio gear not so 
> much.
> 
> Others, with serious degrees like Jim B  K9YC,  can better explain why, 
> but I have read, and have long believed, that wide variations in 
> impedance in this case is not material, except in certain cases, such as 
> when you want to drive a PA with a high impedance microphone, or a 
> guitar amp with a high impedance pickup, and you wanna use a 100 foot 
> cable in between.   (Then  you might want a DI box or other 
> transformer...)
> 
> Try this:
>     http://sound.westhost.com/impedanc.htm
> 
> especially the bit on microphone impedance, and how the audio chain 
> differs from an RF chain.
> 
> Or try this:
>     http://suite101.com/article/audio-impedance-matching-a187871
> 
> which says,
>     "Most audio inputs are 'bridging' inputs, where
>     the load impedance is much higher than the
>     signal source impedance. In that way, when
>     the signal is fed to an extra piece of kit in
>     parallel the signal level does not fall appreciably.
>     Thus at line level, most modern outputs are
>     < 100ohm impedance and inputs are
>     usually > 10kohm.
> 
>     When Should Source and Load Impedance Be Equal?
> 
>     When a cable length is more than about a tenth
>     of the wavelength of the highest frequency
>     present, then the frequency response may
>     become uneven. For audio, the highest frequency
>     is about 22kHz for CD, making the wavelength
>     a little over 8km assuming a cable velocity factor
>     of 0.6. 800m is much longer than most audio
>     cables in practice, so this is not usually a worry."
> 
> 
> Or what it says here:
>     http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Audio/imped.html
> 
> particularly re: mic input matching.
> 
> 
> Or here:
> 
>     http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Jan03/articles/impedanceworkshop.asp
> 
> -- Thus, I am thinking variation in microphone impedance may not be 
> material, and at least not the reason we are seeing differences in the 
> case at bar.
> 
> Just MY take...
> 
> At least my intentions are good... and my road to He** is very well 
> paved with my good intentions !     ;-)
> 
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Tnx for that.  Bob, K4TAX, explained it off line.  BTW, T-T has since 
changed the source impedance of the 707 mic to 250 ohms.  Maybe it should be 
called the 707v2?

73 Ray W2RS
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