Cecil: your explanations are great, the ONLY problem is There ain't an 'e' in
Smoky Mountains!
Worked there as a Park Ranger for several years... HI
Clayton N4EV
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From: "chacuff@cableone.net" <chacuff@cableone.net>
To: Will Jones <wjones@bellsouth.net>; Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
<tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Explanations of the Different Types of Filtering on
Radios
Ok, here goes with an analogy...
I’ve been up in the Smokey Mountains many times and they have some of these
beautiful short tunnels through rocky hillsides for the roads to pass.
Lets say you were standing in the middle of the road at one end of one of these
short, straight tunnels looking through to the other side. At the other end of
the tunnel you see a very nice looking young lady just to the left of center
and a really ugly old lady just to the right. Of course the desirable view at
this point is the nice looking young lady but it’s really difficult to get a
good look because of the really ugly lady...so. Say you had a knob that would
allow you to move the end of the tunnel left or right just enough to block out
the view of the really ugly lady leaving only the view of the very nice looking
young lady...there you have IF Shift....also called PBT by other
manufacturers.
Now re-center the knob where you have both ladies in view. Hold up the index
finger of your right hand out at arms length. Close one eye and place that
finger over the really ugly lady blocking the view of her and leaving only the
view of the nice looking younger lady...there you have the Notch Filter. It
may not cover the whole view of the ugly lady but it does enough to allow a
better view of the nice looking young lady.
The others are a bit more difficult to explain...
RIT is really not a filter at all...just another way to tune the frequency of
the receiver a small amount without changing your transmitter frequency. Say
you are having a short SSB QSO after calling CQ with a fellow who doesn’t seem
to be tuned properly to your frequency and he sounds like he has been snorting
helium so you need to tune your VFO to make him sound more natural. If you
tune your main VFO you are not only tuning your receiver but also your
transmitter...which will result in a change in how you sound in his receiver.
Well on the next over he may retune his VFO to make you sound normal in his
speaker and it’s an endless chase up and down the band. (this can be caused by
radio alignment issues) Better choice would be to engage RIT and just move
your receiver until he sounds natural to you which will not change your
transmit frequency only your receiver frequency leaving you sounding the same
in his receiver and less likely causing
him to retune...ending the chase.
DSP Noise reduction...well this being a software feature is implemented
differently in every manufacturers radios and sometimes even between models in
the same manufacturers radios.
The goal of all is to reduce random noise as much as possible while identifying
the desirable young lady...um...signal and bringing it out of the noise. All
this is done using math inside the computer. Some work better than others.
The Icom system works well at reducing background noise without adding too much
digital artifact noise as long as you don’t over use it. Seems some think if a
little is good then a lot is better...it’s a balance. Turning the knob full
clockwise will result in digital noise and not help at all. The DSP system on
my Orion II is different and I’m not sure exactly how to explain it..except the
way Ten-Tec does that advancing to a higher number increases the length of time
sampling is done before the digital filter is built. Which results in a better
built filter in software but it takes longer to get there. Of course the
desirable signal needs to be there for the duration of the sample or it
probably will
have a hard time doing it’s job. None of them are magic...and most work well
some times and not so well others...it’s just another tool.
Noise Blankers. Most are designed to work on repetitive noise pulses like old
auto ignition system noise or electric fence pulses. Some works well on power
line noise some not so much. I’m surprised sometimes at how well some work and
how poorly others don’t...and it doesn’t seem to matter how much the radio
cost. Some of the older cheap radios noise blankers do wonders on power line
noise and a high dollar radio won’t touch it...go figure. Won’t do much on
atmospheric static crashes because they don’t happen on a timed repetitive
timeline which noise blankers are designed to sense.
Well that’s about all I got...my apologies to any of the ladies out there with
my analogy...it was the first vision that popped into my head this morning when
envisioning an answer to the question. No harm intended...
I’m sure others will have more insightful answers and between the group of us
we should answer your questions.
Best of the Labor Day weekend....
Cecil Acuff
Gulfport MS
K5DL
From: Will Jones
Sent: August 30, 2013 9:33 AM
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: [TenTec] Explanations of the Different Types of Filtering on Radios
There are a few of us who meet together every Wed. morning at a local
restaurant to talk about ham radio and stuff.
Some are new hams. One asked this week a question which I think would be an
interesting study in comments.
He asked, "I have an I.F. shift on my radio and I have read about what it does
but don't really understand "what" it does. Also how does it compare to the
other features I see on radios such as PBT, notch filters, RIT, DSP noise
reduction and noise blankers. Without having a radio with these features on
them it is hard to explain just what your signal will sound like when these
devices are used.
So can anyone give us some ideas how to explain these different types and why
we would want one and not another and why radios don't have them all on one
radio.
Bill, N4LB in TN
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