Bob,
200 watt rigs have been out for a long time,
the FT1000D was likely one of the first or
at least most popular rigs with 200 watts.
IC781, 150 w ... with a higher voltage PA too.
Then the IC775 ... IC7700/IC7800 and so on.
TS950 series ... 150 w
FT2000D ... 200 w, FT9000D and so on ...
So any new concerns are perhaps a bit of an
overstatement? 150-200 w xcvrs are not new.
I agree some of the "more output" could be
for bragging rights, but not always.
One of the reasons for "more than 100" was
many amps need, and especially on 10m, a
bit more than 100 watts for true 1.5 kw out.
Like 2x 3-500Z or the older 4-1000A amps.
As in 125-135 watts. Using a 200 watt PA at
that level tends to be cleaner than when a
person goes inside their rig and cranks the
designed 100 w PA to be run at 125-135 w.
Many 100 w rigs really do not produce the
full 100 w on the higher bands, thus the
need for a bit more drive too.
SIDENOTE: many really older amps were NOT
designed for 1.5 kw OUT. The old 'full gallon'
was 1000 w input for many years. For some of
those 100 w is too much to not overdrive.
Repeated tests under marginal conditions
show a 1 dB difference can either make or
not make the QSO ... so 100w > 200w would
be 3 dB ... again a repeatable difference.
As to overdrive/etc ... that still happens
today ... when many of the higher $ amps
only require 35-45 watts of drive.
What we have today, is an operator educational
challenge, not a technology challenge per say.
73 de Billy, AA4NU
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <RMcGraw@Blomand.net>
>All of this adds up to, as kids, "who's got the fastest car?" After all,
>the speed limit in town was 30MPH and the local law enforcement knew that
>very well. With radios and many features, I describe as whistles and bells,
>it's mostly no more than bragging rights.
>
>Now it seems the latest bragging rights are, "my radio has got more knobs
>and buttons than yours". Well for a TS-990S owner that's true with it
>having some 23 knobs and 130 buttons on the front panel.
>
>Yes, everyone's operating styles and needs are different and thus the pros
>and cons of this one and that one does exist. Regardless of what it has or
>does or doesn't have or doesn't do, if it doesn't have a good to great
>receiver and equally good audio, from my take it becomes an expensive paper
>weight on the desk.
>
>I agree that many to most peripherals were designed for the 100 watt class
>of radio. I fear with the 200 watt radios hitting the market and the ham
>population propensity to continue using older amps, there's likely to be a
>lot of over driven amps and subsequent splatter on the bands.
>
>If I find that I need more than 100 watts to continue or complete a contact,
>it won't be with a measly 200 watts, it will be more like 1200 to 1500 watts
>which does make a difference.
>
>Yet it seems today that "bragging rights largely prevail" in most all areas.
>
>73
>Bob, K4TAX
>
>
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>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "K8JHR" <jrichards@k8jhr.com>
>To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 11:29 AM
>Subject: Re: [TenTec] (no subject)
>
>
>>
>>
>> On 5/7/2014 2:53 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP wrote:
>>> James, I agreed with everything up until the 200w PA.
>>> What's the reasoning for 200w? Because Yaesu does it? Me too?
>>> Now days most linears run legal power with just 40w input.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Exactly. You gotta offer something
>> different or you are the same. Remember the
>> TS-990 has a 200 watt output, also.
>>
>> IT DOES NOT HAVE TO MAKE SENSE... IT ONLY
>> HAS TO SELL.
>>
>> Loads of guys like the idea of a 200 watt
>> rig. It does not have to make sense, and
>> if they think they won't need an amp, or
>> if they think they will be more manly
>> with a bigger rig, then ... get it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> There are a lot of peripherals on the market that were designed for 100w
>>> and
>>> will fail if hit with 200w.
>>> I don't see any benefit in that.
>>
>>
>>
>> You are not buy anything, so why vote?
>>
>> Now, I am not being rude or snotty, but
>> simply pointing out that guys like you
>> are not the driving force in the marketplace
>> and you won't be buying it anyway, because
>> it does not fit your operating style or
>> budget or several other considerations, so
>> I am directing the rig to other guys with
>> money to burn, and who might operate differently,
>> and who might think a 200 watt PA is a good plan.
>>
>> Again, not being personal about you in particular,
>> but simply saying I think the there is a market
>> for this sort of thing, provided it comes at a
>> reasonable cost.
>>
>> Sheesh... just consider how many guys have purchased
>> Yaesu rigs with higher power, and how many guys have
>> purchased a TS-590 with a 200 watt output - now you
>> would not spend extra for that... but I think a lot
>> of other guys would.
>>
>>
>> An analogy: I think most of the crap they sell
>> in the Five and Dime Stores and the Dollar Stores
>> is cheap crap and a waste of money. But they
>> are still in business, so they must be making
>> money SELLING CHEAP CRAP ... so I the point
>> is to know your audience ... sell what sells. It
>> does not have to make sense... it only has to sell.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> But my vote is for the spec to remain 100w and the radio to only be
>>> drivable
>>> up to that power level.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's cool. But what would sell more radios
>> at a workable cost for buyer and seller, alike?
>> That is the magic question!
>>
>>
>>
>> No argument with your technology... just thinking TT
>> could sell more radios if it offers something more or
>> different at a lower price point - and just ruminating
>> on how they can do that. Simply a marketing thing, not
>> a technical thing, I am talking about.
>>
>>
>>
>> -------------------- K8JHR -----------------------------
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