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Re: [TenTec] Recalcitrant Orion

To: Katz Ajamas <ajamas.rn@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Recalcitrant Orion
From: Gary J FollettDukes HiFi <dukeshifi@comcast.net>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 11:38:07 -0500
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I have already replaced the cap and the reset device. 

I have also tried directly reseting the CPU at this point by pulling the cap 
low with a shorting wire. This has worked on other Orion’s but only partially 
works with this one.

Gary


> On Aug 6, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Katz Ajamas <ajamas.rn@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Replacing all the caps! No Way!. Maybe testing a few.
> If you have dual trace scope with trigger, you can look to see if the CPU is 
> resetting. If not, I would suspect this small circuit. Note the timing 
> admonition on the schematic!
> 
> Copy attached.  Let us know. My 565 still needs repair!
> 
> 73, -Bob
> 
>  
> > On Aug 5, 2016, at 11:09 AM, Katz Ajamas <ajamas.rn@gmail.com 
> > <mailto:ajamas.rn@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > So what was wrong? CPU power on reset problem? Please share.
> > 73, -Bob ah7i
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> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 22:47:32 -0500
> From: Gary J FollettDukes HiFi <dukeshifi@comcast.net 
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> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion II repair
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> To clarify, for the more well advance EE?s out there, what I called an I/O 
> controller is actually a complex programmable logic device (CPLD).
> 
> It is, however, so far as I can tell, acting as traffic cop for the CPU.
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> > On Aug 5, 2016, at 10:19 PM, Gary J FollettDukes HiFi 
> > <dukeshifi@comcast.net <mailto:dukeshifi@comcast.net>> wrote:
> >
> > I still don?t know.
> >
> > Here is an update o the rather strange behavior:
> >
> > I already swapped power distribution board, button board and CPU board. A 
> > different CPU board operates properly in the radio. perfectly.
> >
> > Here is the sequence:
> > 1) Cold startup  normal boot up sequence, receives signals, none of the 
> > encoders except VFO?s work, none of the pushbuttons work.
> > 2) Connect to N4PY software and connect, most functions work but not 
> > necessarily correctly. Tuning rate is very slow and some buttons do not do  
> > what they should.
> > 3) Shut down for maybe 30 minutes.
> > 4)  Cold startup  normal boot up sequence, receives signals, none of the 
> > encoders except VFO?s work, none of the pushbuttons work.
> > 5) Wait 15 minutes, everything works fine.
> > 6) Shut down for maybe 30 minutes.
> > 7)  Cold startup  normal boot up sequence, receives signals, none of the 
> > encoders except VFO?s work, none of the pushbuttons work.
> > 8) Wait 15 minutes, everything works fine.
> >
> > Now, if I operate the encoders while the radio is ignoring them, then wait 
> > out the 15 minutes, the radio responds just as if I had just taken those 
> > actions. That is, if I turn the volume down while the radio is not 
> > responding, the volume will drop once the radio starts working. Ditto for 
> > all other encoders. So data is getting to the I/O controller, just not 
> > being sent to the CPU. In this state, the actions of pushbuttons are NOT 
> > saved, however.
> > One thing that is different about the VFO encoders, both of which always 
> > work, and the 6 small encoders is that the VFO encoders are pull high 
> > devices operating from the R5 volt supply. The 6 small encoders are pull 
> > down devices with outboard pulp resistors also operating from the R5 volt 
> > supply.
> >
> > If I operate the encoders in the first fractions of a second after boot up, 
> > before the S meter makes is normal bump swing to the right, the encoders 
> > work but stop working after that bump.
> >
> > The delay to normal operation is pretty repeatable. It acts as if there is 
> > a high resistance somewhere and a capacitors is charging up to enable the 
> > CPU to see data that is in the I/O controller.
> >
> > I really doubt that this is a thermal issue or a CPU or I/O controller 
> > issue. I am contemplating simply replacing all of the capacitors on the CPU 
> > board.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 5, 2016, at 11:09 AM, Katz Ajamas <ajamas.rn@gmail.com 
> >> <mailto:ajamas.rn@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> So what was wrong? CPU power on reset problem? Please share.
> >> 73, -Bob ah7i
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> >
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