Bob,
Sorry but I cannot accept a 1.5 MHz wide filter as a hamband filter.
On 40m, we have strong broadcast stations both below and above the ham band.
The criticism on the stage gain was a direct quote from Rob Sherwood.
I'll let you guys discuss that.
I disagree with you on the rising of the noise floor as being acceptable.
Rob, Adam, and every review I have read took issue with that. Other radios
do not have this problem.
ANAN radios did have the problem and after Rob reported it to them, they
needed about one year to find and fix the problem. They no longer do that.
I have a good home-brew all band (ex-WARC) preselector and for 40m I also
have a home-brew tunable preselector that is very sharp. So it's not a
problem for me, but I doubt very many people will care to build their own
preselector these days. Even I could not do it today because I no longer
work in a lab full of test equipment.
If I understood you correctly, you're saying buy the radio and wait for
someone to bring out a good preselector.
I don't know of any good preselector currently on the market, though there
may be a couple that I am unaware of.
Actually MFJ makes a couple of pre-selectors, basically rip-offs from our
BCC preselector that members of my club designed about 25 years ago. They
were fair but not on par with mine.
Of course one could also purchase extern BPFs like ICE or DUNESTAR at $100
per band. They have 40dB or so of out of band attenuation. Let's see . . .
9 ham bands, OK for $900 we can fix the problem. ;-)
SORRY MAN, I'M NOT BUYING THAT.
I want my ham band transceiver to have ham band BPF's. (Cake and eat it to
- hi)
That means my pan-adaptor will have to be sourced from a second receiver and
sync'd with software such as N4PY.
73 - Rick, DJ0IP
(Nr. Frankfurt, Germany)
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FLEX 6500 vs 7300
1. The 6500 has dedicated ham band BPFs for each band, the 7300 does not.
2. The stage gain of the 7300 was not designed specifically for the needs
of an SDR but rather just copied off of the (analog) 7100.
3. There is a problem with the 7300 that when you switch on IP+ which adds
the dither, it also raises the noise floor by 10 dB. That should not
happen.
4. The 6500 costs about 3x as much, has been on the market longer and many
bugs have already been fixed.
73 - Rick, DJ0IP
(Nr. Frankfurt, Germany)
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1. The 7300 has band pass filters. A boat load of them. The 40m band falls
inside a 1.5MHz wide BPF. "Outboard pre-selector" is not a dirty phrase.
(See Lenny Bruce 'words')
2. With the pre-amp off, there is no amplification between the antenna and
the A/D.
3. Dither is there to allow digitization of a signal that is of the order of
a LSB. It's appropriate for weak signals on a very quiet band. 10dB is a
reasonable amount of noise to be adding to accomplish this.
4. More bugs require more fixes ;-)
In the $1500 and lower price range for 100W radios, I only see three worth
having. right now. Eagle, TS590SG,, IC7300.
A quick aside to "scads". The scads of 7300's on QRZ. There people are
posting WTB 7300 and radios offered at $1300 are selling quickly
I predict we will soon be comparing DDC receivers based clock stability,
processing speed, and linear signal handling capacity of the passive
components preceeding the A/D. Ferrites in filters, PIN diodes, that sort of
thing. An outboard, high Q, pre-selector can be a big help with overload
with almost any receiver. For the rich guys we can makes it a 'tracking'
pre-selector so they do not have to be bothered turning a knob.
The trade off in using a pre-selector as opposed to a band wide filter is
that one can not see the entire post filter band at once. Sometimes two
radios make more sense.
Reference:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/58rh4i19rmwkuim/IC-7300_Schematic_Diagram.pdf
Some more prediction. Multiple receivers that are phase coherent coupled
with receive only antenna arrays to transfer the signals into 2 and
eventually 3-D at the operators ears. Instead of turning a beam or
struggling to dig out of the noise with a vertical, one would just turn his
head to hear signals arriving from a different direction or to ignore noise.
I'm actually considering a pair of vertical with $22 softrocks and a phasing
knob in the shack. A problem with the soft rocks is that even with the same
clock, they won't necessarily start up in the same phase. My cheap-O
solution to this is a calibration signal for the control knob.
73, -Bob
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