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Re: [TenTec] Coil values (bandpass section) on VI+ XO/LO board

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Coil values (bandpass section) on VI+ XO/LO board
From: MadScientist <dukeshifi@comcast.net>
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 22:26:40 -0600
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It’s always difficult to understand what drives a particular tech 
writer/draftsperson in deciding what to include and what to not include in a 
manual.

I suspect that a true “service manual”, if it exists, would have this 
information.

While Tec Tec is to be lauded for its high quality documentation on the Orion, 
for instance, that otherwise excellent manual completely omits anything like a 
signal level diagram or a boot up sequence that would aid repairs.

That said, you do get the values for 160 and 80 meters, 0.68 and 0.47 uH. 

Now the circuits are different from band to band so simple scaling would be 
difficult, but remember, these are adjustable so you don’t need to be dead-on 
when selecting coils to replace these.

The design constraint for this filter is that each set  needs to have 
sufficient bandwidth to cover two bands, since the tuned circuits are shared by 
two bands, about 3.5 MHz.

In band ripple is not a factor since this filter only needs to pass two 
frequencies, the lower band and the higher band. It does not need to pass any 
frequencies in between.

The frequencies are rational, ~16 to 33 MHz so winding a coil should not  be 
all that tough.

Can you not count the turns on the broken ones and rewind? 

I wish I had a board for you but my LO boards went away a long time ago.

> On Feb 20, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Phil Erickson <phil.erickson@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi again,
> 
>  [Forgot to mention: I jumpered across this filter (from D41 to D36) with
> a 0.01uF capacitor and the receiver came to life on 40 and 30 meters, so
> this latest problem is definitely in the bandpass filter section
> attenuating the LO too much.]
> 
> 73
> Phil
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 11:43 AM Phil Erickson <phil.erickson@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>>  (I hope someone else someday can make use of this VI+ debugging
>> information..)
>> 
>>  I'm still troubleshooting my VI+, which you can follow by searching the
>> archive.  In particular, I'm still figuring out why the XO/LO board has low
>> output drive for the LO on some bands (160/80/40/30), subsequently causing
>> the BPF mixer to never turn on.
>> 
>>  Right now, I'm focusing on the 40/30 meter bandpass filter section after
>> the U1 mixer but before the amplifier (Q6,Q7,Q8) and output.  There are two
>> tunable coils, L1 and L2.  Under the microscope, at least one of these is
>> definitely broken at its base and I'm sure that results in a very mistuned
>> filter, which is what is causing my attenuation problem.  I need to replace
>> it and possibly more - someone was obviously in here with a 'golden
>> screwdriver' as we found epoxy as well.  The adjustable coils are really
>> bad mechanically and the core wobbles a LOT when you move it with your
>> finger - easy to break.
>> 
>>  But Ten-Tec's schematic has no values of the appropriate inductance
>> range :(  Ugh.
>> 
>>  Does anyone (Gary? Peter?) have info on the designed range for L1 - L11
>> for the bandpass sections on that board?  I can't find it anywhere on the
>> schematic and the manual doesn't say either.  It's bizarre that they label
>> some things but leave this out (?).
>> 
>> Cheers/73
>> Phil W1PJE
>> 
>> 
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