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Re: [TenTec] ? Electric fence noise

To: Rodney Dewald via TenTec <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] ? Electric fence noise
From: Bob McGraw <rmcgraw@blomand.net>
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Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 11:31:21 -0500
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Well, I believe you said it is your fence.   If so, go look in the mirror and complain to the fellow until he does something about it.  Or take the fence down and feed the deer.

One fellow suggest and he had success by placing a toriod donut with about 3 turns of wire located very close to the fence charger.   Might try that.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 5/4/2021 11:22 AM, Rodney Dewald via TenTec wrote:
I done all what has bend suggested I know that it is the fence this has bend 
going on for 2 years my s meter goes from s3 to 5 over

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From: Bob McGraw
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 11:31 AM
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TenTec] ? Electric fence noise

Start first by using a 12 volt battery, like the one on your lawn or
garden tractor.  Connect your radio direct to the battery. Note the S
meter reading for the given band and frequency.    Then drop or turn off
the main breaker to the house.  And again note the S meter reading as
before.  If the noise drops, it is inside your house  and now the
detective work begins.  Turn off all of the individual breakers, turn
the main breaker back on.   Again observe the noise.  If it comes up,
the noise is outside.  If not then flip on one breaker at a time and
observe noise level or change.   You'll likely find one or two that
contribute to an increase in noise.  Now you have a clue where to look
inside the house.

If the noise is determined to be outside of the house, then the
detective work begins.  Use one of the commercial noise receivers with a
loop or yagi antenna.  You will be able to identify the noise source and
pinpoint its location by a little triangulation. A local map, ruler and
pencil will be of great assistance.    Once done, then you are prepared
to approach the offending location or company.

Don't go banging power poles!!!.  One ham did such, it shook the above
transformer loose and it fell.   He suddenly became very short as the
300 lb transformer pounded him into the ground.   The power company
replaced the transformer and and undertaker took care of the remains.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 5/4/2021 10:15 AM, Byron Cordes via TenTec wrote:
My first rule ( No Wall Warts !!! )
Next no battery chargers anywhere close to shack
And my big rule if must have Led lights leave them off Hihi
   73s Byron AC9PA

On May 4, 2021, at 9:54 AM, Rod Greene via TenTec <tentec@contesting.com> wrote:

I agree with Carter. I’ve tracked down many noisy electric fence problems. 99 
pct are due to bad connections and often with  the spring loaded gate handles. They loosen up 
over time and an arc is caused at that point. Easy to find with a portable AM radio. GL, 
Rod/w7zrc


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On Tuesday, May 4, 2021, 8:16 AM, Reed Krenn <reed.krenn@gmail.com> wrote:

Are you absolutely sure the fence is the culprit? I ask because I had a
similar trouble with a strong pulse, at about a 1Hz rate, appearing in my
receiver on 40M. I and a friend went searching with a VHF AM receiver, and
found an electric fence around a pasture, about half a mile due west of me.
The fence was emitting 1Hz pulses that varied in amplitude along the length
of the side parallel to my 40M dipole. I contacted the owner, and he agreed
that the fence was due for some repairs, and that if I could be patient, he
would get to it over the next few months. Several months went by with no
improvement, and I was about to revisit the owner, when I decided to
rearrange a few things in my shack. I was under my desk, tidying up some
cables, and I unplugged a wall wart power supply that was attached to a USB
hub. My receiver was on 40M at the time, and the pulse noise went away. I
plugged it back in, and the noise returned.

That wall wart, a switching supply, met a gruesome fate.

Naturally, I called the owner of the fence and apologized profusely. He was
very gracious, and was actually glad that I had inspired him to do some
much needed repairs.

Moral of the story: Make absolutely sure your own house is in order before
casting about for external causes.

Reed / WW3A

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 9:55 AM CARTER GRABARCZYK <k8vt@ameritech.net> wrote:

    I chased RFI for a living at AT&T. It seems you are looking at this issue
from the wrong side. In my experience, most cases of electric fence noise
was caused by defective insulators or corroded connections and thus the
responsibility of the fence owner to repair. Most were cooperative as it
was probably noising up their radio, TV and phone service.

For those that did not cooperate, it was pointed out that they were
violating Part 15 of the FCC rules and may ultimately have to deal with the
FCC.
Just my 2 cents...
Carter  K8VT

      On Monday, May 3, 2021, 10:11:13 PM EDT, Rodney Dewald via TenTec <
tentec@contesting.com> wrote:

    WHERE DID YOU PUT THE CHOKE      I HAVE LATTER LINE TO A 4TO 1 BALEM

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From: Ralph Matheny
Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 9:14 PM
To: ah7i@gatech.edu; Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] ? Electric fence noise

I use electric fence here to keep deer out
of my tomato patch.  To keep the fence out of
the radio I have a choke...3 turns well insulated
wire on a good sized #31 toroid, and I can't tell
the thing is on or off with the radio.

Your results may vary...every fence and charge will
probably be different.

de K8RYU




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An electric fence charger may be modified for a longer rise time. Like
softening keying to eliminate clicks.
73, -Bob ah7i em73ts
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