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Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting

To: ZR <zr@jeremy.mv.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting
From: DAVID CUTHBERT <telegrapher9@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:29:37 -0700
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L.B. was a professor of Philosophy and not a degreed engineer.

Dave WX7G
On Nov 22, 2011 8:08 AM, "ZR" <zr@jeremy.mv.com> wrote:

> Cebik tended to be pedantic. Heck, he was a
> college professor- duh! He certainly knew his
> stuff, but his views were not necessarily
> global at all times. Perception colors our
> understanding of the world.
>
> ** Thats an understatement. I consider him one of the more blatant
> plaigarizers who knew a lot less about antennas as he misled many to
> believe.
>
> I happend to be in a meeting with him in GA when the company team I was
> with
> were making a presentation. His body language and questions gave a strong
> impression of a blowhard which was somewhat confirmed by the looks others
> on
> his side were giving him. The after the meeting discussions on my side were
> rather emphatic about the above.
>
> Carl
> KM1H
>
>
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting
>
>
> > Cebik's paper on the counterpoise is interesting and
> > perhaps useful, so far as it goes. I don't remember
> > seeing any mention of voltage-fed antennas, however.
> > If they are in that article, I missed them.
> >
> > Cebik mentions Woodrow Smith in connection with a
> > 1948 antenna book. I don't know if this is the same
> > 'Woody Smith', W6BCX, but I suspect it is. Woody
> > Smith wrote an article in March 1948 CQ Magazine
> > titled "Bet My Money on a Bobtail Beam." In that
> > article, he is somewhat vague about the ground
> > return for the center element, but is very clear
> > that 'not much' of a ground is needed. In his
> > Feb/Mar 1983 HR Mag. reprise of the Bobtail/Half
> > Square antennas, he refers to the desirability of
> > a 'ground screen', refraining from calling  this
> > small, rectangular grid a 'counterpoise'. But
> > that's what it is, in today's usage. I called
> > it that in my Bobtail pages, and will likely
> > continue doing so.
> >
> > http://www.angelfire.com/md/k3ky/page49.html
> >
> > Moxon, G6XN also refers extensively to the
> > counterpoise in his favored half wave vertical
> > antennas, and in his case, is talking about a
> > pretty tiny piece of metal indeed. See"
> > "HF Antennas For All Locations." by G6XN.
> >
> > Cebik tended to be pedantic. Heck, he was a
> > college professor- duh! He certainly knew his
> > stuff, but his views were not necessarily
> > global at all times. Perception colors our
> > understanding of the world.
> >
> > Language is a living, growing thing. Cebik
> > was probably right about the concept of the
> > counterpoise having been 'muddied', but OTOH
> > that horse is now long out of the barn.
> > I very much doubt the word is going away any
> > time soon, in ham 'circles'. Or squares or
> > rectangles. Even elongated, skinny rectangles.
> >
> > I find K2AV's FCP (folded counterpoise) most
> > intriguing, and I intend to give it a try here.
> > My inverted L needs help. I am so over with
> > crummy 'sparse radials'. What a waste. Also,
> > I intend to shift more towards a longer L
> > which more approximates voltage feed. Having
> > a quarter wave L with the current point at
> > ground level is just asking for poor
> > performance IMO.
> >
> > 73, David K3KY
> >
> >
> >
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