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Re: Topband: Ground conductivity, permittivity measurement

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Subject: Re: Topband: Ground conductivity, permittivity measurement
From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Reply-to: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:56:43 -0700
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On 10/3/2012 7:20 AM, Tom W8JI wrote:
I would agree with your idea about multiple points making it meaningful if you also moved the probes deep below ground, to a depth where the field diminished to unimportant values. I think this is a case of not being able to do things right, so we dismiss what probably is a problem.

I am in complete agreement with Tom on the importance of measuring to skin depth at the frequency of interest, and for mere mortals, measuring radials from a nearby broadcast station is the only way I can think of to do that. While the transmission line method is fine, and the DG8SAQ VNA is a winner (I have one), it is still limited to the depth of the length of its probes.

But it is also important that we remember that there are at least three primary effects of ground. They are 1) loss in the near field; 2) reflections in the far field; 3) ground wave propagation. We can minimize #1 by heroic effects with our ground system, and this shows up in the impedance measurements of our antenna system. The only thing we can do about #2 and #3 is to move.

73, Jim K9YC
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