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Re: Topband: Beverage wire question

To: Hardy Landskov <n7rt@cox.net>, Mike Waters <mikewate@gmail.com>, Jim Garland <4cx250b@miamioh.edu>
Subject: Re: Topband: Beverage wire question
From: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Date: Thu, 01 May 2014 12:38:48 -0700
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Is there any advantage to open wire line construction vs the bidirectional coax Beverage that ON4UN describes? RG6 is cheap and strong with a copperweld core or use any other coax from CATV surplus to RG58/59. Some are UV resistant, flooded, etc. The only downside I see is two transformers and two feedlines are required and perhaps a db or two loss for the reverse direction, which really doesn't matter. A plus is no relays. A coax version sure is simpler to build and maintain. Of course coax doesn't have the classic Beverage look ;-)

Grant KZ1W

see also http://w4hod.org/K4IQJ%20Beverage%20Talk.pdf for other alternative designs.


On 5/1/2014 8:12 AM, Hardy Landskov wrote:
I've used window line for many years and it is a maintenance hassle. The heat and UV here in AZ just eats the stuff up where it has to be replaced every 5 years or so, and I do twist the line. The last wind storm we had ripped the line right out of the DXE black plastic insulators which are not all that good either. So I am looking with keen interest at all these homebrew open-wire-line construction techniques.
YMMV.
73 Hardy N7RT

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Waters" <mikewate@gmail.com>
To: "Jim Garland" <4cx250b@miamioh.edu>
Cc: "topband" <Topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Beverage wire question


Jim,

On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Jim Garland <4cx250b@miamioh.edu> wrote:

I've been using 450 ohm ladder line ... and the ladder line requires
constant maintenance.


I've heard that twisting that line solves the breakage issues. You need
many twists in the entire length of the line.



I want to replace it with parallel wires, which run through ceramic
feedthrough insulators


And, I've heard that running wire through ceramic insulators like that will eventually abrade the wire. Holes in ceramic insulators are usually quite
rough.


I have no experience with either of the above. Here, we use plastic
electric fence and homebrew plastic insulators; and the wire drops into a
slot instead of having to string it through a hole. Works for me.

I think there's some photos at http://www.w0btu.com/Beverage_antennas.html .

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com
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