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Re: Topband: Elimination of Treadmill RFI on 160 meters

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Subject: Re: Topband: Elimination of Treadmill RFI on 160 meters
From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Reply-to: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:27:21 -0800
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Tom,

You simply don't get it. The choke is NOT a filter. It is a high impedance added to the common mode circuit. The common mode circuit is acting as an ANTENNA, either for RX or TX. If for TX, the noise source is inside the box, and the current will depend upon the voltage of the source and behavior of the circuit as an antenna. If for RX (that is, the noise is received on the wiring by simple antenna action and coupled into the box via failure of the wiring to go the shielding enclosure) the current will again depend upon the behavior of the circuit as an RX antenna.

When we add a choke of sufficiently high resistive impedance to that circuit, we reduce the current at frequencies where the choke is effective.

When preparing to publish my first research on this in 2003 (to the AES), I found references in ancient applications notes from EU mfrs of ferrites showing that they clearly understood this principle. Those ferrite cores molded onto cables emerging from electronic equipment are not filters, they are chokes. They do work in the frequency for which they are designed, and the only capacitance in the circuit is their own parallel capacitance that forms their resonant circuit -- it is the capacitance from one end of the core to the other via the dielectric of the core.

73, Jim K9YC

On Fri,1/30/2015 3:16 AM, Tom W8JI wrote:
Any filtering or decoupling system works by the ratio of series impedance to shunt impedances.

A series choke is useless unless there is some value of shunt impedance in the system. As a matter of fact, lack of established shunt impedances is what can drive choke requirements to unrealistic values. This is true in baluns, just like it is in line filters.

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