Charlie, that's my point. The people who keep calling in the pile are AWARE
that they may not have a QSO, that's why they keep calling. With all the
intentional QRM on K1N, it's possible they were never even aware that K1N
returned to them! And that can lead to "accidental" dupes not the fault of K1N
or the calling station. But the original subject (see subject line in header)
was people thinking they had to re-work them because they were not or at least
no longer in the Clublog ummm... errr... log.
Personally, I took it on faith that if the pilots said the log on the island
was fine and never in jeopardy and it was just a Clublog issue, I need
not worry and I certainly didn't rework them. Some didn't feel as confident and
decided upon "safety contacts". But from what I saw here, no one questioned
whether their contact was good in the first place, just whether it was still in
the K1N log.
BTW, with all due respect, the "simple procedures" you mentioned below are fine
for casual DXing, but in DXpedition pileups, its:
(K1N): K3OX 5NN (K3OX): 5NN (K1N): TU
You would make mucho people (including possibly the op on the Dxpedition) very
unhappy if everyone went:
(K1N): K3OX 5NN (K3OX): K1N DE K3OX TU 5NN BK (K1N): K3OX QSL TU DE K1N UP
(K3OX): TU Dit Dit
It's a trade off between absolute certainty and speed, getting more calls in
the log. Maybe an unacceptable trade-off to you, but I suspect not to the
majority of ops in Contest/DXpedition scenarios.
Best, Kevin K3OX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Cunningham" <charlie-cunningham@nc.rr.com>
To: kolson@rcn.com, topband@contesting.com
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 3:06:46 AM
Subject: RE: Topband: K1N On Line Log
And another more important point, Kevin in the case of such a massive need as
K1N. Several of the operators were complaining about the number of "dupes" in
the logs. That's caused by guys not knowing if they had a good QSO and just
continuing to call. I Tune around in the CW pileups a LOT to find where the
stations are calling that the DX is working and to find a slot where I can
insert my call. I have personally heard a number of guys that were worked by
K1N and went right on calling in the pile because they simply didn't know they
had worked them!! What's wrong with that picture?? In those cases the operators
just weren’t adept enough to enact the simple procedures that I outlined, and
they just continued to add to the pandemonium in the pile-up and making things
more difficult for everyone! That just adds to the QRM and slows everyone
down!!
73.l
Charlie, K4OTV
-----Original Message-----
From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
kolson@rcn.com
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 1:36 AM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
Charlie, I don't think many here "didn't know" if they made a contact or not.
The question was if K1N had "lost" their QSO from the computer log. No matter
how sure you are you made the contact, if it's not in their computer log, for
whatever reason, it can't be confirmed.
Kevin K3OX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Cunningham" <charlie-cunningham@nc.rr.com>
To: "Eddy Swynar" <deswynar@xplornet.ca>, topband@contesting.com
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:46:02 AM
Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
Well, we did survive just fine, Eddy and lots of folks mad the Honor Roll,
5BDXCC etc..
All this nonsense about the online logs is just so much Bull!!! Can all be
avoided if folks would do the following:\
1.0 COPY your own call!!! No guesswork, no fragments, no bluffing etc.
2.0 Copy your report
3.0 Reply with your call, followed by an acknowledgement of DX Station
Report (TU or thanks) and Send report to DX station followed (or preceded)
by "Thanks" or TU
4.0 LISTEN for the DX operator to acknowledge your report
5.0 Thanks or TU -or even dit-dit
Do those things completely and there won't be much guessing or wondering if
you had a legitimate QSO that's logged!! We may have to have some patience
and perseverance to work through the jammers, and QRM and the packet-rats
tuning up on the DX QRG!
It may be reassuring to see the online logs, but we should KNOW if we had a
good contact or not! WITHOUT a computer to tell us we did!!
I KNEW that my 7 QSOs with K1N were there BEFORE the logs came out! And NO
DUPES or "INSURANCE CONTACTS"! Just my $0.02.
73,
Charlie, K4OTV
-----Original Message-----
From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Eddy
Swynar
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:17 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: K1N On Line Log
How did we EVER collectively survive the dark ages of hardcopy QSL cards,
s.a.s.e.'s, QSL bureaus, DX news sheets, and I.R.C.s, I wonder...?
Is everyone that impatient while attempting to WORK a rare station, too...?
All this angst and trepidation being displayed here...! I thought DX'ing,
Ham radio, & Topband were all supposed to be FUN, and not a hand-wringing
exercise in anger & worry management...
~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ
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