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Re: Topband: RFI - and lots of it

To: Paul Christensen <w9ac@arrl.net>, "'topband'" <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: RFI - and lots of it
From: "Dave Blaschke, w5un" <w5un@wt.net>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:54:29 +0000
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I have driven copper ground rods in about ten years ago, then wrapped a couple turns of #4 wire around the top and soldered that to the rod using plumbers solder. These connections are as good today as the day I soldered them. Plumbers solder works very well outdoors for me. I use it on everything outdoors now.

Dave, W5UN

On 10/29/2015 2:43 PM, Paul Christensen wrote:
That's one reason why I like to augment a NEC-required mechanical connection 
with silver-solder.  The mechanical connection will degrade with time but it 
will take significantly longer for a silver-soldered connection to degrade, 
absent some really acidic soil condition.

Local code here now requires two (2) grounding electrodes at the service entrance spaced 
to cover the "sphere of influence."  That means two eight-foot rods require 16 
ft. spacing.  As I recall, the 2008 issue of NEC allows one electrode if one can 
demonstrate 25-ohms earthing resistance.    Not sure if that's still true with the newest 
NEC changes.   But what measures 25 ohms today may measure a lot higher as time goes by.

Paul, W9AC

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From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Dan Edward 
Dba East edwards
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:28 AM
To: Matt Murphy <matt@nq6n.com>; Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Cc: Jim Murray <adkmurray@yahoo.com>; low bad reflector <Topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: RFI - and lots of it

I, for one, wonder how good my service entrance ground is...mine is probably 20 
years old, and while the top looks ok, there's no way to know what's going on 
down 4, 6 and 8 feet...my utlities are underground, if that means anything...
as a starting point, should a guy drive a new one? or 2 or 3, spaced some 
distance apart?
( gosh, top band sounds lousy this fall, for me, anyway...sigs are well down 
from normal strength..) 73, w5xz, dan

      On Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:17 AM, Matt Murphy <matt@nq6n.com> wrote:
  I'm in the process of setting up my station in a new QTH and plan to install 
a station ground at the cable entrance.

Tom, is there a best practice for bonding to the mains ground? Any approaches 
to avoid?

73,
Matt NQ6N

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com> wrote:

I have and electrician coming next week who says he will check things
out
and first of all ground the breaker panel to two ground rods 7 feet apart.
I thought the grounding was put at the meter but he says they don't
do that anymore. I think the old meter, before we had the new one put
in had a ground rod beneath it but nothing now. The only ground I
could find to the panel is a skimpy wire going to a water line. All
of which looks corroded etc.. I know many dollars were spent on
renovation and restoration of this place but I'm afraid to much
emphasis was placed on cosmetic and not enough on electrical as I
look more closely, pretty depressing. >>>>>

Jim,

Just keep in mind when  you do the work, the quality of the house
ground to earth is far less important than having everything entering
the house being bonded to act like one common point.

One of the biggest mistakes in amateur radio grounding over the
decades has been having the shack antenna and control cable entrance
ground non-existent, and the common shack desk equipment ground to an
independent ground.

The shack ground must be bonded to the mains ground so everything
entering the house is as close to one potential as you can get it.

Correcting things may not cure your RFI, but it always makes things
much safer and more reliable.

73 Tom
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