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> On Aug 2, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Alan Swinger <awswinger@earthlink.net> wrote:
> . Since FT8 operators can walk away and not participate in QSOs, and come
> back after some other activity and see how many new countries and QSOs that
> the computer made, this is unlike Digital modes where operators must remain
> engaged to make QSOs. Therefore, seems to me that such Computer-generated
> contacts should have a separate category in the current award systems since
> the operators are not directly involved in making the QSOs . . . call it
> Computer-Aided Digital or something more clever. No argument that skill is
> required to set up a station to make FT-8 contacts, but a different set than
> what those of us who work DXCC, Challenge, etc use on CW, RTTY, and SSB,
> including those towers, expensive equipment, skills, and years of hard work
> to get the new ones when there was NO FT-8 or similar modes!
> So, I do not be begrudge the new low signal computer-aided modes, nor do I
> cast aspersions on the Ops who enjoy using them . . . even though I am
> unlikely to join their ranks, but the Ham community should not penalize those
> of us who used non-FT modes to get our hard earned awards by giving an unfair
> advantage to a new technology. We (Ham Radio) need the New Technology, but
> these modes are sufficiently different in many ways from the older modes that
> justifies a separate category in the award spectrum. Therefore, I urge the
> ARRL and the CQ Magazine leadership to establish a Digital award category
> that is separate and different from the current DXCC et al Digital criteria.
> Alan Swinger K9MBQ
> Charlottesville, VA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rich_k7zv@gphilltop.com
>> Sent: Aug 2, 2019 4:22 PM
>> To: Harald Rester <harryrester@gmx.de>
>> Cc: topband@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: Topband: 160
>>
>> As ham radio changes there will remain at least a niche for CW, SSB, and
>> RTTY and it's competitions. FT8 will supplement the bands , not supplant
>> it, IMO. Do you think FT8, FT4 and whatever digital modes come along are
>> the future or will something else take its place? Who knows... time and
>> technology moves on. Maybe it might attract some of the Millennials to
>> fill in the void by us Baby Boomers who will all too soon be making.
>> Let's set a good example for them to follow.
>>
>> Rich K7ZV
>>
>>
>>> On 2019-08-02 12:42 pm, Harald Rester wrote:
>>> Think about the time *we all *could have been on the air, while staring
>>> at our screens, typing and reading. I make QSY to the shack - Hpe CU!
>>>
>>> Harry, DH1NBE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 02.08.2019 um 21:26 schrieb uy0zg:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not propose stopping the FT8.
>>>>
>>>> just compete with each other.
>>>>
>>>> But keep in mind - Arnold will be the first -)):
>>>>
>>>> https://www.alamy.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-terminator-2-judgment-day-1991-image66516208.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Nick, UY0ZG
>>>> http://www.topband.in.ua
>>>>
>>>> W0MU Mike Fatchett писал 2019-08-02 21:52:
>>>>> Ah so all FT8 users are cheaters. Does that mean that all Russian
>>>>> hams use way more power than they should and their scores should not
>>>>> count either?
>>>>>
>>>>> The real issue here is change. Ham radio has been in constant motion
>>>>> and change since it started and I hope in continues that way well
>>>>> after we are dead.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we better stop FT8 and protect VE1ZZ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry no.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good day.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/2/2019 12:45 PM, uy0zg wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello, Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is how the world works so that humanity always has moral
>>>>>> values.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They must be protected.
>>>>>> Example:
>>>>>> in a few years, 334 VE1ZZ countries will lose their value. His
>>>>>> achievements will be eaten by computer programs and robots ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is right ?
>>>>>> Will there be many talents at 160 meters like Jack?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will not be !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the contrary - more and more stupidity and envy....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Nick, UY0ZG
>>>>>> http://www.topband.in.ua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> W0MU Mike Fatchett писал 2019-08-02 18:24:
>>>>>>> Cheating is cheating. How many people used remote stations,
>>>>>>> exceeded
>>>>>>> their power limits, etc. Singling out a mode because you are
>>>>>>> upset
>>>>>>> that it has taken away activity in your preferred mode is not
>>>>>>> helpful
>>>>>>> to the hobby. Not everyone that use FT8 cheats. Not everyone
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> uses a amp that exceeds their legal limit uses it in that fashion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How can you guarantee that everyone on the "Honor Role" was 100
>>>>>>> percent honorable or even anyone that got DXCC did it right? You
>>>>>>> can't so please stop singling out a mode you don't care for. We
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> it. Move on. It is here. Just like the Reverse beacon, packet
>>>>>>> cluster, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are all hams enjoying many aspects of the hobby. Can't we get
>>>>>>> along?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> W0MU
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