Agree...
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> On Aug 2, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@subich.com> wrote:
>
>
>> On 2019-08-02 8:06 PM, GEORGE WALLNER wrote:
>> expand the DXCC program by creating a new category! FT-x is
>> sufficiently different to justify that. The skills need for FT-x are
>> different from those required for the traditional modes.
>
> Absolutely not! All modes used for DXCC have more skills in common
> than they have differences. There is more difference between CW and
> SSB than there is among RTTY, PSKxx, FTx - yet all count for DXCC
> Mixed. The key for any mode is knowing what band/time to choose
> (when propagation is most favorable) and understanding where the
> other station is listening. Those apply to FTx as much as CW or SSB.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>> On 2019-08-02 8:06 PM, GEORGE WALLNER wrote:
>> Nobody is talking about "shutting" anything down.
>> Quite the opposite: expand the DXCC program by creating a new category! FT-x
>> is sufficiently different to justify that. The skills need for FT-x are
>> different from those required for the traditional modes. A new award
>> category would reflect that.
>> I would go further, but I don't think too far:
>> FT-x could be crucial to HAM radio's future. On a recent mini DXpedition I
>> asked a young and recently licensed HAM to operate FT-8. He said, sure, give
>> me a minute. He brought his laptop (not the one that was part of the FT-8
>> station) and proceeded to operate FT-8, while using his laptop to watch a
>> movie and was looking at Facebook, and he was in chats with friends (and
>> HAM-s) on his phone. I was somewhat peeved, until I came to realize that
>> this is how the new generation lives: multi-threading using their electronic
>> devices. Unlike us, most of them are not willing to put on the head-phones
>> and concentrate on weak CW signals for hours, to the exclusion of everything
>> else. They don't live like that and they will not enjoy a hobby like that.
>> It is not my place to judge whether this is good or bad. It is what it is.
>> But to attract this new "multi-activity generation" to HAM radio (an entire
>> generation, not just the odd kid), the hobby must offer a mode that is
>> compatible with how they live. FT-8 is perfect for that: it can be operated
>> remotely from a smart-phone via an app, while riding a bus or train and
>> doing other things... And, yes, it can be automated.
>> There will be nothing wrong with a young HAM working 100 countries in a
>> month while not even at his station. Good for him! Just don't mix his
>> achievement with mine. (Is RTTY really a digital mode? It seems to be very
>> analog these days.)
>> 73,
>> George,
>> AA7JV
>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:05:23 -0500
>> Cecil <chacuff@cableone.net> wrote:
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>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> On Aug 2, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Cecil <chacuff@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is nonsense....
>>>
>>>> That is only possible if someone has modified the software and is cheating
>>>> the system...which I might add could be done with computers and creative
>>>> software writing to any of the digital modes including CW....
>>>
>>> That is cheating and not grounds for disallowance from total DXCC
>>> participation for all users.
>>>
>>> Certainly I can do that for one QSO if I need to run to the bathroom or
>>> grab a quick cup of coffee etc....but if you believe for a second that the
>>> FT8 software is designed to crank it up, walk away for a couple hours and
>>> come back later to tally up your take as you describe you are showing your
>>> lack of knowledge of WSJT’s design.
>>>
>>> Am I suggesting that some are not doing that...no...not for a minute.
>>> Would I suggest that all DXers are running no more than the legal limit
>>> when chasing a new one or no more than 200 watts on 30 meters, or not using
>>> a remote station element to gain an unfair advantage to add a new
>>> one...nope.
>>> But it is happening...
>>>
>>> Should we shut down the entire awards system because the possibility exists
>>> that someone will cheat...I think not.
>>>
>>> I for one think you should rethink your article before submission Alan...
>>>
>>> Respectfully
>>>
>>> Cecil
>>> K5DL
>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Alan Swinger <awswinger@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> . Since FT8 operators can walk away and not participate in QSOs, and come
>>>>> back after some other activity and see how many new countries and QSOs
>>>>> that the computer made,
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