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Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

To: "'N4ZR'" <n4zr@comcast.net>, "'topband reflector'" <Topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: K9ay loop not performing
From: pa5mw--- via Topband <topband@contesting.com>
Reply-to: pa5mw@home.nl
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 11:36:11 +0100
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Hi Pete,

Over some 20 years have setup some at least 15 K9AY's at about 10 different 
locations.
On some locations it worked better than others. There is always 15 dB F/B at 
minimum.
Top height, length of the loops, optimal balanced corner positions; never 
noticed anything critical. This thing is a superb starter RX antenna.
The max F/B  I measured was 42dB, both measured with a Perseus SDR.
Above spec are achieved in my puny backyard where the K9AY's corners are close 
(as in 1 to 10ft)to either a metal fence, my shack(and alu windows) and the 
neighbors TV. 
I use two 8ft copper ground rods. Have tried radials  and chicken mesh on the 
floor additionally, but that did not help. Guess my type of soil is already 
good.

See pictures for the simple setup and F/B performance both on 160m and 1400 kHz 
at:      flickr.com/photos/pa5mw/albums/72157688739777191


73

Mark PA5MW


-----Original Message-----
From: Topband <topband-bounces@contesting.com> On Behalf Of N4ZR
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2019 22:14 PM
To: topband reflector <Topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Topband: K9ay loop not performing

I just put up a K9AY loop, using the Array Solutions control boxes, and am 
pretty disappointed.  There is no audible or visible difference in the noise 
level, while the received signal strength is down whenever I A/B it with my 
inverted L.  There does seem to be a little directivity, but not much, and 
subjectively I find that weak signals are all heard better on the transmit 
antenna. Judging by results in the current contest, I've got an alligator on my 
hands!

The preamp amplifies by a couple of S units, and I can hear the relays out at 
the antenna switching when I change directions or termination resistances, 
although gain and directivity do not change noticeably. 
 From this I assume there's nothing wrong with the electronics

I tried to do my installation "by the book."  Ground is provided at the base of 
the antenna by a 6-foot ground rod.  There are two common-mode chokes on the 
feedline, one at each end of approximately 100 feet of RG-6.  About the only 
deviation from the published design is that the top of the crossed loops is at 
28 feet, not 25, and the loops have their bases more or less horizontal, where 
the published designs show them tilting upward approximately 15-20 degrees from 
the center in each direction.  I can make that happen with some more rigging, 
but before I do that, I'm looking for suggestions of other places to look for 
the problem.

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73, Pete N4ZR
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