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From: quadman@sgi.net (Gregg Corsello)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:07:53 -0400
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Gregg Corsello wrote:
> 
> Hi, Bill.  Well, first the bad news.  The 6-element quad on the web site
> is now history also, thanks to 89 mph winds we had here on June 30
> (maybe the 3rd time will be the charm)!  I will probably post the
> pictures(of the destroyed 6-el quad) on the site eventually.
>     The good news is that I have (unfortunately) had the opportunity to
> see firsthand how these antennas fail WHEN they fail.  The 6-element had
> components from different quad manufacturers.  Some of them held up.
> Some of them didn't.
>     I still use the AL wire from Lightning Bolt.......for the parasitic
> elements only.  The driven elements were copper stranded from
> Cubex........I had them in the garage and decided to use them.  I would
> use this combination again.  I don't need all the weight (and extra
> expense) from copper wire on the reflector and directors.
>     The 4-el quad was LB out of the box.  One feedline to his xfmr at
> one common feedpoint.  It was a fair performer.
>     The 6-el quad was a combination of Cubex (spiders), LB(16 spreaders,
> AL wire, some spiders), and Max-Gain Systems (8 spreaders).  Coax was
> fed to a remote switch mounted on the boom.  From there I had separate
> feedlines to each driven element.  I had pre-made 1/4 wave sections from
> RG-11 for each band, then checked the whole thing with my buddy's
> MFJ-259 analyzer.  I checked it with AND without the 1/4 wave sections.
> 2 of the bands were actually better without the 1/4 wave sections, so I
> left them off (sorry, I don't remember which ones).  So I ended up
> feeding 3 of the 5 bands with the 1/4 wave sections.  This antenna was a
> MUCH better performer than the first one.  The design was loosely based
> on a QST article from March 1977 (I think) entitled "Evolution of a Quad
> Array".
>     Baluns.......beads......good idea, but I didn't use them.  The next
> one that goes up will probably have a line isolator at the switch box.
>     Bill, I don't know if you already have a quad up, or if you are
> planning on building one.  If the latter, some mechanical considerations
> based on my experiences with component failure:
> -any quad with boom length in excess of 16', I would probably use 3"
> O.D. x AT LEAST .125" wall-thickness boom stock.  I have had 2 booms
> with .063" wall-thickness fail.  They tore like tin cans.  The truss
> didn't seem like it helped at all.  All it did was eliminate boom sag.
> Jay, K6MB, is using a .250" wall-thickness boom on his 4-element quad,
> and so far it has held up well.
> -Max-Gain systems spreaders are better than Lightning Bolt.  I mentioned
> I had 16 Lightning Bolt and 8 Max-Gain spreaders on my 6-element.  Well,
> 15 LB spreaders broke; all 8 Max-Gain came thru intact (I think you
> could beat a tree with those things!).  LB spreaders are $20 apiece;
> Max-Gain are $17.95, which works out to about $20 apiece shipped to your
> door.
> -I have had several LB spiders bend/break when these antenna failed.
> None of the Cubex spiders bent or broke.  Another good source for
> spiders is Antenna Mart.  You could get these (Antenna Mart) through
> Allen at Max-Gain.
> 
> I truly believe, with the use of good components, you could build a quad
> that would stay up in 100MPH winds.
> 
> I hope this has been helpful.
> 
> I will be designing my next quad over the winter.
> 
> 73, de Gregg, K3QK
> Thanks for info Gregg.  I had a 2 el. 20 quad a number of years ago in 
> northern NJ and it was basically a Cubex parts item.  I held up very well in 
> storms, but obviously was just a little 2 el.  I'm now thinking of building a 
> new 4 el for 20-10 and your info and experience is much appreciated.  I'm 
> also in the process of constructing a 2 meter EME antenna and will 
> incorporate some design strength ideas into that project.  I'll be watching 
> for info on your web as the new quad is placed into action.  Hopefully the 
> new design and weather will cooperate for lots of years!  Thanks and GL,  73, 
> Bill/K3XA

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