And the drill-through part makes every good sense to me .. although, I did
not do that in the past., I used chain around the boles .. never never never
had a prob with that .. Mark 6dx
----- Original Message -----
From: <n4kg@juno.com>
To: <TOWERTALK@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Towertalk] screw in anchors
> Makes sense to me...
>
> I notice that damaged places on my trees do NOT rise with age...
> the bark eventually grows over the damaged place.
>
> BTW, sometime ago, a knowledgable tree person
> posted on TowerTalk that the BEST way to guy or
> anchor to a tree is to bore a hole through the tree
> or use a screw eye for small loads and NEVER
> wrap around the tree which cuts off circulation
> and CAN kill or damage the tree.
>
> Tom N4KG
>
> On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:47:26 -0000 "Barry " <w2up@mindspring.com> writes:
> > While I'm no botanist, as far as I know, trees get taller from the
> > tips of
> > their branches. The base doesn't rise. So, if you put at anchor at
> > the 5 ft
> > level, it will always be at the 5 ft level. It won't be at 50 ft 10
> > years from
> > now :.)
> > I'm I'm wrong, pse correct me!
> > 73,
> > Barry W2UP
> >
> >
> > On 8 Sep 2002 Jerry Keller wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, that's what I was thinking. If one put the guy to the base of
> > the tree,
> > > there's virtually no movement... except a slow movement upwards as
> > the tree
> > > grows. If a large deeprooted tree (oak or whatever) were used, it
> > could be
> > > good for a long time. I was looking for anyone with experience
> > with
> > > fastening, such as methods & tools to drill a hole through a
> > two-foot or
> > > more hardwood tree trunk. Jerry K3BZ
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jon Zaimes AA1K [mailto:jon.zaimes@dol.net]
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:08 PM
> > > To: k3bz@arrl.net; towertalk@contesting.com
> > > Subject: RE: [Towertalk] screw in anchors
> > >
> > >
> > > Jerry,
> > >
> > > A long time ago in a call area not too far from Delaware, I guyed
> > 70 feet
> > > of Rohn 25 to large hardwoods, perhaps 2 feet diameter. I wrapped
> > several
> > > turns of EHS guy cable around the tree and secured with cable
> > clamps. I
> > > used large nails to keep this loop from sliding up the tree. Every
> > year or
> > > two I would loosen up the cable slightly to keep it from growing
> > into the
> > > tree, and from strangling the tree and killing it. The turnbuckles
> > for the
> > > guys attached to the steel guy wires looped around the tree.
> > >
> > > Of course now we all know to follow the manufacturers instructions
> > -- or at
> > > least use something stronger.
> > >
> > > While it is true if the anchor tree falls it will take down the
> > tower, if
> > > the tree not used as a guy anchor falls, it also will likely take
> > down the
> > > tower if it falls on the guys (unless you have Rohn 55 or bigger).
> > >
> > > Recently I took down a 125 foot Rohn 25 tower that had been up
> > about 20
> > > years. Two of the three guys used large trees as anchors. The
> > trees were
> > > about 2.5 to 3 ft diameter, and had a large eye bolt bored through
> > or into
> > > the tree. The tree had grown around the eye bolt in one case and
> > we had to
> > > cut the guy free.
> > >
> > > These guys were up 8-12 feet above ground. I don't know how high
> > they were
> > > when the tower was installed.
> > >
> > > 73/Jon AA1K
> > >
> > >
> > > At 10:39 AM 9/8/02 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >If trees can be used as masts or towers, what about using them as
> > guy
> > > >anchors? Has anyone had any experience with doing that? Jerry
> > K3BZ
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: towertalk-admin@contesting.com
> > > >[mailto:towertalk-admin@contesting.com]On Behalf Of n4kg@juno.com
> > > >Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:00 AM
> > > >To: TOWERTALK@contesting.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [Towertalk] screw in anchors
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 07:09:20 -0500 Jon Ogden <na9d@speakeasy.net>
> > writes:
> > > >
> > > > SNIP
> > > >>
> > > >> Let me tell you, those screw anchors did NOT go in easily.
> > > >> Very difficult to put in. I could feel when I hit the clay
> > and rocks.
> > > >
> > > >> One of the anchors got most of the way down and hit rock.
> > > >> If we tried cranking it further, we just would twist the guy
> > > >> rod itself.
> > > >>
> > > >> I think they should hold pretty well.
> > > >>
> > > >> 73, Jon NA9D
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >The BEST time to install screw-in anchors is after
> > > >a good soaking rain :-) Rocks are a bummer.
> > > >If the anchor is only partially in the ground, it may
> > > >be necessary to try remove it and try a slightly
> > > >different location.
> > > >
> > > >Tom N4KG
> > > >
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