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Re: [TowerTalk] Problems on a 2el vertical Array

To: "Tobias Wellnitz" <>, <>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Problems on a 2el vertical Array
From: "Jim Lux" <>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:07:14 -0800
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Very nice work Tobias...

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From: "Tobias Wellnitz" <>
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Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 5:28 AM
Subject: [TowerTalk] Problems on a 2el vertical Array

> Hi guys,
> over Christmas I set up a 2el vertical Array for 40m.
> I used 60 quaterwave long radials for each vertical.
> The spacing is 7m and I wanted to phase them with
> 123° (which seemed for me to be the best trade
> between ground-losses and f/b).
> I realised the array with the measured values.
> While testing the array on the air, I made several hundert QSOs on 40m
> (as DA0BCC) around X-MAS. I was able to hear / "feel" about 3-4dB
> additional dBs over one single vertical. But I'm unhappy with the f/b
> The pattern shows, that I should have at least 10dB on EACH station and
> 15-25dB f/b on DX stations.
> I heard only a few DX stations where I really had 25dB f/b... but this was
> the big minority (maybe 5 out of 100).
> Often I didn't notice any f/b at all. (especially on stations closer
> than 2500km).

Close in contacts (or two bounce contacts) will have a high elevation angle,
so the relative phasing of the antennas is not as optimized as for a low
angle propagation.  Essentially, the antennas are closer together by
cos(elevation angle).

> Right now I have two possible answers / questions:
> 1. Is this the typical behavior of a 2el vertical Array ?

If your measured data matches theoretical expectations within 3 dB, on an HF
antenna over real ground, I'd be pretty happy.  Null depth (driving F/B) is
the first thing to suffer.

Consider also that the incoming wavefront is NOT a nice flat idealized
wavefront, but varies with time and probably has local wiggles.

Have you tried setting things up so you can swap front and back directions
to measure f/b directly?


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