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Re: [TowerTalk] Stacking Distance for M2'd 6m7JHV?

To: "Bill VanAlstyne" <w5wvo@cybermesa.net>,<towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Stacking Distance for M2'd 6m7JHV?
From: Jim Lux <jimlux@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:25:45 -0700
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At 09:30 AM 7/12/2004 -0600, Bill VanAlstyne wrote:
To see how spacing affects take-off angle, install and run the YT (Yagi/Terrain)
software that comes on the CD-ROM with your ARRL Antenna Book. Basically,
stacking couples two or more yagis such that energy normally released at higher
angles to the ground is radiated as part of the antenna system's primary
(lowest-angle) lobe. Stacking doesn't lower the take-off angle of the primary
lobe, but it does re-route the higher-angle energy that is radiated by even a
very high single yagi. This is not necessarily an advantage on 6M, as I will
discuss.
<snip>
So on 6M it pays to try to cover as much of the useful elevation range (from 0
to about 16 degrees) as possible. YT will show you that, for a flat terrain
model in the far field, probably the best overall 6M yagi configuration is one
which stacks two or more beams about 30 feet apart (with the lowest being at
around 30 feet above ground level), AND which allows each antenna to be used
separately as well as driven in phase. A 60-30 stack of two yagis with a
StackMatch produces a pretty ideal coverage of all the useful elevation angles
within around 3dB. Adding a third at 90 feet lowers the lowest possible take-off
angle a little. This would help for F2 propagation (next solar maximum), as well
as for tropo-scatter and ground-wave modes, but doesn't help much for most
sporadic-E paths.


Hope this info helps!

Bill / W5WVO

This sounds like a useful strategy might be spacing them fairly far apart (to reduce mutual coupling) and some sort of relay box that allows switching in various lengths of coax to change the relative phase, might be a real handy thing. Sort of a steerable interferometer. 30 feet spacing is a fair amount (1.5 lambda) so the coupling would be minimal. The reduced mutual Z from spacing them this far apart would allow the use of switched coax for phasing without worrying too much about changing the relative drive current in each antenna.


The Drive both, drive one or the other, drive both out of phase switching scheme would be a step in the right direction.

It might be interesting to trade that scheme (which has 4 possible settings) against a scheme where you combine the two antennas with 0,90,180, or 270 degrees phase shift between them, which also has 4 settings. In this scheme, you've got twice the effective aperture for all the settings, as opposed to the top/bottom/bip/bop scheme, where the single antenna settings have half the aperture. For HF, the change in aperture is probably a non issue, but for VHF and above where the sky is quiet...

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