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Re: [TowerTalk] Porqupines

To: "J. Keller" <k3bz@arrl.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Porqupines
From: Jim Jones <k0hy@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:18:20 -0700
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They ALL work!!!  At least for the seller.  The seller got a dollar and 
that is all anything is guaranteed to do,
make the seller a dollar.  Now whether it will do as advertised that is 
another matter.

73  Jim

J. Keller wrote:

>"and [spline balls] work".... "work" being a relative term, I'd think. Can't
>be absolute (as in... there's never been a strike with a spline ball
>installed) or there would be no issue to discuss.  Can't be absolute the
>other way (as in... spline balls always get struck by any lighning in a ten
>mile radius) or... again... there would be no discussion needed. Sometimes
>spline balls appear to work, and sometimes they don't... might be a more
>reasonable statement.
>
>But people sure do insist on absolutes, don't they? If it exists, it's just
>got to be measureable, definable, predictable.  To admit that in many
>instances it can't be... well, that's just non-scientific thinking. To say
>that spline balls (or other pointy things) LESSEN (but do not eliminate) the
>chances of a strike.. well, that's just too indefinite. And before we could
>consider that possibility, we would absolutely have to completely understand
>all the forces involved, such that we could explain exactly how it works and
>when it will work and when it won't work.  If we can't do all that, we just
>can't accept it at all... and it gets relegated to the trash heap.
>
>Sorry... I don't buy it. Man still has limits to his ability to measure,
>analyze, and/or understand certain natural phenomena. There are still some
>things... like lightning.... that remain in substantial part within the
>realm of the unknown, the unpredictable, the anecdotal.  Science can be
>applied, but only to an extent.  Try and apply a "rule" to lightning, and
>someone will point out an exception. Try and explain the exception with
>another "rule" and there will be another exception. Lokk at the long,
>drawn-out discussion here and nothing is resolved.  It will come up again in
>another 6 months, too, wait and see. There's always a great supply of guys
>who have doctorates in lightning behavior, but none of them know whether
>lightning will or won't strike YOUR tower next time a T-storm rolls through.
>Haven't we figured out by now that all anyone knows is ways to LESSEN the
>chances of a strike, and to attempt to render strike energy LESS harmful or
>damaging when one occurs. It's part science, but it's also part guesswork
>and anecdote.
>
>If some people find spline balls... or live porcupines...or fake golfers...
>mounted on their towers makes 'em feel safer, where's the harm? Where's the
>proof they WON'T work? Probably on the shelf right next to the proof they
>WILL work.  Enough already.
>
>Although.... that golfer thing does have its appeal... and chance we could
>use a live one?     73,  Jerry K3BZ
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Norman Hockler" <norsan@bright.net>
>To: <TowerTalk@contesting.com>
>Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Porqupines
>
>
>  
>
>>Because the needles are not really grounded.
>>
>>The original name of these static charge dissipators is spline balls.
>>
>>and they work.
>>
>>Norm N8NH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 07:07 PM 3/18/05 +0000, you wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>They are supposed to prevent lightning hits.  Just think about this 
>>>though,
>>>if porcupines dissipated enough charge to prevent lightning why would
>>>lightning EVER hit a pine tree that has many more sharp points on it, let
>>>alone anywhere near a huge pine forest!
>>>
>>>
>>>David Robbins K1TTT
>>>e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
>>>web: http://www.k1ttt.net
>>>AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:towertalk-
>>>>bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of K8fu@aol.com
>>>>Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 19:01
>>>>To: towertalk@contesting.com
>>>>Subject: [TowerTalk] Porqupines
>>>>
>>>>Whiles we're on the subject of lightning......................I notice
>>>>when
>>>>I'm in Fl all of the ag and weigh stations have what I believe are 
>>>>called
>>>>proqupines affixed to all of their radio twrs. Some as many as 6 or 8,
>>>>What's up
>>>>with that ??
>>>>
>>>>Froggy...........................K8FU
>>>>If CW is Outlawed....................Only Outlaws Will Have  Keyers....
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>See: http://www.mscomputer.com for "Self Supporting Towers", "Wireless
>>>>Weather Stations", and lot's more.  Call Toll Free, 1-800-333-9041 with
>>>>any questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
>>>>
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>>>_______________________________________________
>>>
>>>See: http://www.mscomputer.com for "Self Supporting Towers", "Wireless
>>>Weather Stations", and lot's more.  Call Toll Free, 1-800-333-9041 with
>>>any questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
>>>
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>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>
>>See: http://www.mscomputer.com  for "Self Supporting Towers", "Wireless 
>>Weather Stations", and lot's more.  Call Toll Free, 1-800-333-9041 with 
>>any questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
>>
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>
>
>_______________________________________________
>
>See: http://www.mscomputer.com  for "Self Supporting Towers", "Wireless 
>Weather Stations", and lot's more.  Call Toll Free, 1-800-333-9041 with any 
>questions and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.
>
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>
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See: http://www.mscomputer.com  for "Self Supporting Towers", "Wireless Weather 
Stations", and lot's more.  Call Toll Free, 1-800-333-9041 with any questions 
and ask for Sherman, W2FLA.

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