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Re: [TowerTalk] Tower Restrictions

To: "Peter Grillo" <ah3c@frii.com>, "'Steve Katz'" <stevek@jmr.com>,"'Kelly Johnson'" <n6kj.kelly@gmail.com>, <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower Restrictions
From: "Roger K8RI on Tower" <k8ri-tower@charter.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:00:11 -0500
List-post: <mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
<snip>
> That means I could go up 600 ft if I wanted to!  I'm already on top of a
> ridge at 8300 feet overlooking the front range of Colorado....that is 
> likely
> a downside issue because of the high winds.  So, I'm going up only 120'.
>

Just use larger guy lines!  <:-))
40 minutes?  You close to Boulder?
My daughter is on the second range SW of Boulder.

Roger Halstead (K8RI and ARRL 40 year Life Member)
N833R - World's oldest Debonair CD-2
www.rogerhalstead.com

> I can't justify living in crowded cities just to be close to work and the
> night life.
>
> W0RTT....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: towertalk-bounces@contesting.com
> [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Steve Katz
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:34 PM
> To: 'Kelly Johnson'; towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] [BULK] - Re: [BULK] - Re: [BULK] - Re: [BULK] - R
> e:[BULK] - R e: Tower Restrictions
>
> Kelly, I appreciate what you're saying.  I still contend you can buy a 
> nice,
> modern home free of deed restrictions *almost* anywhere, if you know where
> to look -- including Silicon Valley.
>
> As for never having been to Silicon Valley, home to the "dot gones," 
> that's
> sure not true.  I've had an office in Mountain View for 9 years, and visit
> there all the time.  My associates there live everwhere from Burlingame 
> down
> to Los Gatos, and over to Fremont, and up to Pleasanton.  That's a bit
> beyond the Valley, but as I'm sure you know, the Valley has been
> artificially extended to pretty much include these places, as it's 
> "boomed."
>
>>From what I've found, and I've spent a lot of time investigating the real
> estate in the area, probably the best trick in the book is to consult with
> local long-time residents who are also active hams and *really* know
> everything about everywhere.  When I thought nothing around Los Gatos
> allowed amateur towers, John N6JL stepped in to immediately correct that
> misconception, pointing out his 70' freestanding, telescoping tower on his
> lot there, in the hills (at the time).
>
> I do agree, though, that it's very likely anyone wishing to buy a home 
> free
> of deed restrictions in that and many areas will likely pay a premium for
> same; further reinforcing my contention that covenant-free properties are
> not only worth more today, but they'll appreciate faster as well.  The 
> only
> problem for new homeowners, as you aptly point out, is the initial "buy 
> in."
> -WB2WIK/6
>
>
>
>
> Yes and no.  Sure, there are CC&R free areas in most older cities but
> the problem is that unless you are willing to buy a "fixer upper" in
> an old part of town and spend lots of money bringing it up to "modern
> standards" it's not affordable for most people.  As an example, my zip
> code has a median home price now of $680k.  What do you get for your
> $680k?  Well, on my street it will get you a 2bd/1ba 1100 sq. ft. 65
> year old fixer upper on a 10,000 sq. ft lot.  It will likely have
> hardwood floor with vinyl in the kitchen/bathrooms, outdated
> appliances, no air conditioning, minimal insulation, and a roof that
> needs work.  For about $250/sq. ft you can remodel and bring it beyond
> the 1950's into the 21st century with air conditioning, granite
> countertops, new appliances, and maybe another bedroom and/or
> bathroom.  When you're all done you may wind up with a quaint, full of
> character 1600 sq. ft house for about $900k.  Compare that to the
> tract homes being sold about 2 miles away where you get a brand new
> 2000 sq. ft home on a 4000 sq. ft lot in an HOA controlled development
> for about $600k.  It cost you $300k more for that big lot and
> old-style (albeit filled with more character) home in a CC&R free part
> of town.  Some people can afford it...most can't.  Most (esp. first
> time home buyers and people under 40) are forced by economics into the
> tract home.  BTW, $900k in this neighborhood is on the LOW end for
> major remodels.  A large number of remodels in this part of town
> involve tearing down an existing 1000 sq. foot home on 1/4 acre and
> replacing it with a 4000 sq. ft McMansion which ends up selling for 2
> mln when its done.
>
> Yes, in theory, you can find CC&R free properties, but the fact is
> that it will cost you considerably more for considerably less in those
> "desirable" parts of town.  In other words, most hams are priced out
> of those areas unless they are married to an XYL that doesn't mind
> small, old, fixer uppers :-)
>
> Anyone that says "you can always find suitable CC&R free properties"
> has never been to Silicon Valley, Ca.  The housing boom in Silicon
> Valley started in the early 70's (when anti-antenna CC&Rs and HOAs)
> really came into vogue.  Finding a CC&R/HOA free home in this area
> requires >= 1mln net worth OR a willingness to live in a "substandard"
> home.  For those of us that aren't multi-millionaires the choice is a
> "substandard" home OR antenna restrictions.  I've chosen the
> "substandard" home, but my XYL isn't always happy with that choice :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:52:48 -0800, Steve Katz <stevek@jmr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Don't kid yourself.  So-called "rich" neighborhoods also have covenants
>> enforced by an association.  Yes, even the "rich" society has a 
>> smattering
>> of residents that feel compelled to force their standards upon others.  I
>> know this because of experience related by my daughter who lives in an
>> exclusive residential area affordable only by multi-millionaires.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> ::They can, but they don't need to.  There are lots of exclusive
> residential
>> areas populated entirely by multimillionaires that are completely
>> covenant-free, everywhere, if one chooses to look for one.  Lots of
>> variables, but here in the L.A. area, most of the high-priced "exclusive"
>> communities are covenant-free.  Some aren't.  If one doesn't like being
>> restricted, one needn't be.  -WB2WIK/6
>> _______________________________________________
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